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products for keeping your joints in top nick

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Created by BlackPanth3r > 9 months ago, 4 Feb 2014
BlackPanth3r
WA, 21 posts
4 Feb 2014 6:00PM
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Hey!!

So was just wondering what ppl like to do to ensure they don't snap their knees, noticed recently my knees becoming sore mid-session...

I've started drinking 20ml of Apple Cider Vinegar and Honey each morning, and also taking some fish and krill oil each day... s'posed to be good for joints...

Any other recommendations?

juicerider
WA, 790 posts
4 Feb 2014 6:03PM
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Glucosamine

bjw
NSW, 3566 posts
4 Feb 2014 9:13PM
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Id hate to smell ur breath.

WC Canvas
WA, 55 posts
4 Feb 2014 6:23PM
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Stop flapping around under your kite and buy a race board.

stamp
QLD, 2757 posts
4 Feb 2014 8:27PM
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topline said..

Stop flapping around under your kite and buy a race board.


what if he hasn't had a lobotomy?

axion
VIC, 144 posts
4 Feb 2014 9:54PM
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I wouldn't know I gave up smoking that stuff years ago

juggler
VIC, 243 posts
4 Feb 2014 10:39PM
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Swimming and riding, cross training to strengthen other muscles

the gibbo
WA, 776 posts
4 Feb 2014 7:45PM
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What he ^^ said and yoga, yoga, yoga
Strength has limited use without flexibility, especially kiting
Did the gluco/chrondoitrin thing for a while and at the time thought it helped but have stopped and dont feel any different.
Swimming and riding are great, little or no impact

Kevok
WA, 37 posts
4 Feb 2014 8:47PM
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If your on a twin tip have a play around with your strap/binding settings. Moving them closer together and ducking them out helped a lot for me.

adambooma
NSW, 7 posts
4 Feb 2014 11:54PM
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please read my review about a wider board.

2014 AXIS LIMITED 136 X 42

you want less pressure on knees, get wider and floatier board

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
5 Feb 2014 12:05AM
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I'm not convinced that the entire vitamin/supplements industry isn't a major con job. Evidence is sketchy at best.

buzingfridge
WA, 147 posts
4 Feb 2014 11:24PM
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Getting rid of the straps helped me.

edhead
NSW, 54 posts
5 Feb 2014 8:26AM
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I second glucosimine with condroitin. Evidence is 'sketchy at best' but it seems to work. I know doctors that don't understand the how and why's of it who still take it. That and bike riding to strengthen muscles around the knees. I did my knees in skiing and again playing tennis. I could barely run 20 meters down the road without breaking into a hobble. After a few months of glucosamine and bike riding, miraculously, no issue at all now.

The other thing is, kite more. Seriously. Even though I had no problem with my knees anymore, when I started kiting I would get sore knees halfway through session and for a couple of days afterwards. I ignored it, kited as much as I could and my knees eventually rose to the task. A bit like the old Kung Fu masters punching the solid wood post as part of their training which serves to strengthen joints by stimulating density of the bone and cartilage resilience. Though if you actually have degenerative cartilage or bone condition that's a different physiological case I guess.

kitebored
NSW, 552 posts
5 Feb 2014 12:53PM
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kiteboy dave said..

I'm not convinced that the entire vitamin/supplements industry isn't a major con job. Evidence is sketchy at best.


You mean I can't drink whatever I want and then have some liver cleanser tablets to make it all good?

alverstone
WA, 529 posts
5 Feb 2014 10:08AM
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BlackPanth3r said..
Hey!!

So was just wondering what ppl like to do to ensure they don't snap their knees, noticed recently my knees becoming sore mid-session...

I've started drinking 20ml of Apple Cider Vinegar and Honey each morning, and also taking some fish and krill oil each day... s'posed to be good for joints...

Any other recommendations?


Get a surfboard. Far less stress on the kness, not to mention the rib cage from the harness. Verge surf and find an old cross-training machine by side of road for a balst 10-15 minutes each day when get home/get up. Sorted. Exercise regularly in off-season or, if you, can, all year. Barefoot beach jogs are good for the soul ....

bene313
WA, 1347 posts
5 Feb 2014 10:29AM
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the gibbo said..

What he ^^ said and yoga, yoga, yoga
Strength has limited use without flexibility, especially kiting
Did the gluco/chrondoitrin thing for a while and at the time thought it helped but have stopped and dont feel any different.
Swimming and riding are great, little or no impact


Yes, I would focus on flexibility rather than supplements. Stretch and learn about the following muscles:

- ITB and abductors (outside of the thigh)
- Quadricep group (front of thigh)
- Adductors (inside of the thigh)

also
- Hamstrings and glutes (back of the thigh)

Essentially it's the muscles which attach from your hip to your knees. Regarding yoga, be careful with certain poses which can be damaging to knees if these muscles are not flexible enough to fully close the knee joint.

danw
WA, 163 posts
6 Feb 2014 3:54PM
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Hey BlackPanth3r,

I'm a physio/pilates instructor and here my thoughts. 1 Work on technique for kite control and soft landings. Focus on bending at your hips and knees rather than your back, if you?re mainly worried about landing jumps safely work on your squat technique. 2. Exercise, and exercise correctly, kiting is mixed endurance and short explosive bursts- train for it. 3. Warm up- muscles are elastic and are much more pliable if they are warm; gradually ease into your kiting intensity 4. Know when to stop, injuries tend to happen when you are fatigued and make mistakes, know your limits. 5. Lastly make sure your gear is set up appropriately for you. Try different foot pad settings, see if you need to retune your lines so your de power isn?t out of reach.. ect ect.
Safe sailing.
Dan

dan111984
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6 Feb 2014 6:30PM
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edhead said..
The other thing is, kite more. Seriously. Even though I had no problem with my knees anymore, when I started kiting I would get sore knees halfway through session and for a couple of days afterwards. I ignored it, kited as much as I could and my knees eventually rose to the task.


I noticed this as well. My knees used to ache when I first started kiting. Now I don't have any pain at all. If you do it enough, you will adapt.. This might not work for older people though.

DingDongDante
8 posts
6 Feb 2014 11:28PM
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I wouldn't put it down to one thing to consume, but i would definitely start with a good all round Diet free from processed foods and more fruits and Veg.

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
7 Feb 2014 5:59AM
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kiteboy dave said..

I'm not convinced that the entire vitamin/supplements industry isn't a major con job. Evidence is sketchy at best.


yeah fair enough, but from knowing someone who works within this industry, and having seen the ridiculous costs of Laboratory testing and certification I can see why research would be sketchy. As a side note legally a package should not be allowed to advertise something it does not do. so if it says "reduces joint pain" it would have to be proven before they print it.

The condroitin/ glucosamine combo is great, i used it on recommendation from my specialist after stuffing my knee and in terms of movement and function my knee is great, lack of physio and required exercises just means i'm not as stable as i should be (own fault).

Key really is strength AND flexibility. Google stretching programs for wakeboard, snowboard, martial arts etc to get a good idea of what kind of stretches to do. combine it with one leg squats and balance based exercises. Play with your foot positioning and angles too.

KiteDesigner
NSW, 169 posts
7 Feb 2014 10:02AM
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Thick foot pads make a difference to cushion the impact in chop and joints on surfboards and twin tips, The difference it makes between hurt knees after a 5 hour session with wax, 5mm dec grip or 4cm pads the next day is massive.

Puetz
NT, 2172 posts
7 Feb 2014 8:41AM
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... beer, loosens me up and when I stack, seems not to hurt as much!

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
7 Feb 2014 9:37AM
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Puetz said..

... beer, loosens me up and when I stack, seems not to hurt as much!


haha I also find I ride my best in the 2 -4 beer region. after that it goes downhill again.


Another thing to watch out for is look at the angles your knees are bending as you absorb impact, most people will tend to bend forwards and inwards like you're trying to hold in the urge to piss your pants. try absorbing your impact by pushing your knees forwards AND outwards. I found this helped a lot, most of the time i feel the pain just comes from awkward positioning when fighting to go up wind. impact from most landings isn't that hard to cause knee pains unless you're knee isn't moving in it's proper range.

swinginginthewind
WA, 281 posts
7 Feb 2014 11:10AM
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Get a foil board - glides over the water with absolutely no bumping or jarring on the knees

Only thing is every other part of your body gets smashed during the learning stage crashes

daggy
WA, 527 posts
8 Feb 2014 10:57AM
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My theory
Keep your knees warm!
My summer wetty is an old steamer with the arms cut off and the legs cut off but below the knees. Looks a bit kook but seems to help
Can get a bit hot on the hotter days but just do more crashes to cool down

Robbo2099
WA, 736 posts
8 Feb 2014 2:20PM
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Charl dv said..

kiteboy dave said..

I'm not convinced that the entire vitamin/supplements industry isn't a major con job. Evidence is sketchy at best.


yeah fair enough, but from knowing someone who works within this industry, and having seen the ridiculous costs of Laboratory testing and certification I can see why research would be sketchy. As a side note legally a package should not be allowed to advertise something it does not do. so if it says "reduces joint pain" it would have to be proven before they print it.

The condroitin/ glucosamine combo is great, i used it on recommendation from my specialist after stuffing my knee and in terms of movement and function my knee is great, lack of physio and required exercises just means i'm not as stable as i should be (own fault).


[citation required!]

>>legally a package should not be allowed to advertise something it does not do. so if it says "reduces joint pain" it would have to be proven before they print it>>

Surely you can't seriously believe this?

Show us the Australian legislation.

There is not a single randomised, placebo-controlled clinical trial that demonstrates definitively that any of those glucosamine/condroitin or similar compounds has a statistically-significant clinical or physically-observable effect beyond placebo. So, go ahead if you like and delude yourself. You are just pissing away your money.

So, here's the challenge: Find even ONE clinical trial (this does NOT include tests claimed by the manufacturers or the alternative compounds industry) randomised, placebo-controlled and published in a credible peer-reviewed clinical journal that shows a clear clinical or physical effect greater than placebo.

Surely, if this stuff worked, after it being on the market for 20 years, there'd be at least ONE trial showing some clear statistical significance?

There isn't.


TryPushHarder
QLD, 74 posts
8 Feb 2014 7:41PM
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edhead said...
I second glucosimine with condroitin. Evidence is 'sketchy at best' but it seems to work. I know doctors that don't understand the how and why's of it who still take it. That and bike riding to strengthen muscles around the knees. I did my knees in skiing and again playing tennis. I could barely run 20 meters down the road without breaking into a hobble. After a few months of glucosamine and bike riding, miraculously, no issue at all now.

The other thing is, kite more. Seriously. Even though I had no problem with my knees anymore, when I started kiting I would get sore knees halfway through session and for a couple of days afterwards. I ignored it, kited as much as I could and my knees eventually rose to the task. A bit like the old Kung Fu masters punching the solid wood post as part of their training which serves to strengthen joints by stimulating density of the bone and cartilage resilience. Though if you actually have degenerative cartilage or bone condition that's a different physiological case I guess.
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There are studies I read years ago about glucosimine and condroitin that suggest the spread of prostate cancer. If u are going to take it research it before you take it! I couldn't be bothered finding the links but I'm sure one will find what they are looking for with the help of google.

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
8 Feb 2014 7:22PM
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Robbo2099 said..

Charl dv said..

kiteboy dave said..

I'm not convinced that the entire vitamin/supplements industry isn't a major con job. Evidence is sketchy at best.


yeah fair enough, but from knowing someone who works within this industry, and having seen the ridiculous costs of Laboratory testing and certification I can see why research would be sketchy. As a side note legally a package should not be allowed to advertise something it does not do. so if it says "reduces joint pain" it would have to be proven before they print it.

The condroitin/ glucosamine combo is great, i used it on recommendation from my specialist after stuffing my knee and in terms of movement and function my knee is great, lack of physio and required exercises just means i'm not as stable as i should be (own fault).


[citation required!]

>>legally a package should not be allowed to advertise something it does not do. so if it says "reduces joint pain" it would have to be proven before they print it>>

Surely you can't seriously believe this?

Show us the Australian legislation.

There is not a single randomised, placebo-controlled clinical trial that demonstrates definitively that any of those glucosamine/condroitin or similar compounds has a statistically-significant clinical or physically-observable effect beyond placebo. So, go ahead if you like and delude yourself. You are just pissing away your money.

So, here's the challenge: Find even ONE clinical trial (this does NOT include tests claimed by the manufacturers or the alternative compounds industry) randomised, placebo-controlled and published in a credible peer-reviewed clinical journal that shows a clear clinical or physical effect greater than placebo.

Surely, if this stuff worked, after it being on the market for 20 years, there'd be at least ONE trial showing some clear statistical significance?

There isn't.




I'm only saying that based on experience in the UK, as I said I know someone that has launched a product to help liver function and reduce the stress on it after consuming alcohol. When launching the product they went through the ringer about what can and can't be put on the box as advertisement and so many plans were knocked back, it was hard enough just to be allowed to advertise it's for alcohol consumers. To comment anything on the actual effect of actually protecting the liver these clinical trials had to be done.
Sorry I assumed that Commonwealth countries would have similar standards and that Australia would be on par with medical regulations etc as the UK.



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