Select to expand quoteHumbleSailor said..
This app sounds awesome!!
I've recently got myself a Garmin Forerunner 245 Music on sale and I've installed your app! Tomorrow it'll be my first sesh with the watch so I'll give your awesome app a go! Thanks for your work!
Great, Make sure you save the app ( click back, then save and exit ) & can you check in Garmin Connect Mobile that the jump info is in there still/.
@dachopper - I have a question on the UI: why is the choice of "back-lap" button to act as a stop for the activity? In native activity apps it is the main "select-start-stop" button used for that. For me following that will be more consistent with the habits us users developed over time.
PS. Hope to be able to try v3.1 soon and will write back!
Select to expand quotedachopper said..HumbleSailor said..
This app sounds awesome!!
I've recently got myself a Garmin Forerunner 245 Music on sale and I've installed your app! Tomorrow it'll be my first sesh with the watch so I'll give your awesome app a go! Thanks for your work!
Great, Make sure you save the app ( click back, then save and exit ) & can you check in Garmin Connect Mobile that the jump info is in there still/.
Alright I went to Rosebud yesterday and had a 1.5hours sesh using this app (v3.1). Here's what I've noticed, some may be user error? If that's the case apologies:
- the up/down buttons won't scroll through the different screens
- none of my jumps were detected. Disclaimer, my highest jumps were probably in the 2 to 3 metres range. I don't jump super high yet
At the end of the sesh, I've exited and saved the activity. Within Garmin connect:
- the activity gets registered as "other" instead of Garmin's "kiteboarding". There's an option to change the activity type, but haven't done it because if you do, Garmin connect warns you that you may loose some data.
- there's no info about jumps anywhere. But maybe because it didn't detect my jumps in the first place?
Let me know if you need any other info that may help! Thanks!
Thanks,
Version 3.2 released, fixes activity to kiteboarding.
Reduced minimum speed to 6 kts, however if you do not have good jump technique you can go into Menu, calibrate and select Jumps are missed....
If that doesn't register them, select jumps are missed again. If still nothing, you need to be more violent when you takeoff with the kite. 
Eventually a jump is identical to smoothly riding over a swell ir wave, so to filter that out, it will miss similar jumps in the 1 - 2 meter range.
3+ is not normally a problem, send the kite back quicker.
Version 3.4 Released
Fix for crashes with watches that have small memory ( Garmin Instinct )
Tested to 299 jumps passed no problems
Ahh that makes sense, yeah I suspect it's probably me not jumping high enough then (I'm relatively new to jumping 
), like you said, my jumps may be seen as just riding swells then.
No worries, that gives me another reason to improve my jumping technique!
I'll try that calibrate option in my next sesh, in case it helps
Wind forecast it's pretty bad here in Melbourne west for the next few days, but so far Sunday is looking good!! I'll report back after my next sesh!
Had a twintip session today on 9m?. Logged it using KiteJump v3.7. The activity now is saved as "kiteboarding" in Garmin Connect, the jump graph is now nicer and easier to read.
I haven't noticed missed nor false jumps. Jumps height related to each other feel reasonable, but I still feel the measurement is overrating my jumps. @dachopper - should I go for a calibration before the next session?
Been using this a little more for directional and hydrofoil jumps recently (so not able to do a direct comparison to Woo readings).
In my earlier comparisons I found it was consistently reading about 2m higher than Woo for the same jumps. This was a much older version. The newer version looked pretty true to my internal calibration (low jumps not registering, takes a decent jump to register). I'm also running probably the min spec of watch (garmin 245) so the sensors probably won't be as good as a fenix.
Soft landings with a foil kite seem to add on the hangtime a little more than is real but I'll happily take that as a compromise.
This is getting really good now!
Select to expand quotezlatko said..
Had a twintip session today on 9m?. Logged it using KiteJump v3.7. The activity now is saved as "kiteboarding" in Garmin Connect, the jump graph is now nicer and easier to read.
I haven't noticed missed nor false jumps. Jumps height related to each other feel reasonable, but I still feel the measurement is overrating my jumps. @dachopper - should I go for a calibration before the next session?
Hi.... no the calibration will not change the accuracy, only the number of jumps recorded
Select to expand quoteweebitbreezy said..
Been using this a little more for directional and hydrofoil jumps recently (so not able to do a direct comparison to Woo readings).
In my earlier comparisons I found it was consistently reading about 2m higher than Woo for the same jumps. This was a much older version. The newer version looked pretty true to my internal calibration (low jumps not registering, takes a decent jump to register). I'm also running probably the min spec of watch (garmin 245) so the sensors probably won't be as good as a fenix.
Soft landings with a foil kite seem to add on the hangtime a little more than is real but I'll happily take that as a compromise.
This is getting really good now!
Thanks, Hydrofoils and foil kites are a bit of a challange for the watch sensors due to the way they typically jump. Having said that I did limit the hangtime calculation in the latest version to what seems reasonable. What that means is if something strange happens like you loop the kite and go up again after an apex, or get a strange gust of wind on the float down, the jump height is still accurate but the distance and hangtime may not be.
You can go into calibrate mid session and select jumps missed, if you want the watch to work harder to detect them.
Just wondering of the suitable Garmin watches in the list, is there some that will have better sensors or get more accurate readings for your app? Any recommendations?
Select to expand quotebjw said..
Just wondering of the suitable Garmin watches in the list, is there some that will have better sensors or get more accurate readings for your app? Any recommendations?
Yep.
Something with 5 buttons ( touch screen sucks in the water )
Something that has Music or Map cabability ( this normally means big application memory )
Any X or PRO Fenix model
Bigger the display the better to read
Not the Instinct - it has tiny memory.
This page has the Memory of all watch models.
developer.garmin.com/connect-iq/reference-guides/devices-reference/#instinct%C2%AE2xsolar
Click on the watch
You want more Watch App memory than 131,072.
Half a million or more is good, some have 1.31 million.
Instinct only has 98,000 so it cannot run even the base functions of my other app Sail Racer.
Yesterday I logged a surfboard session using KiteJump 3.7. I do not jump on surfboard, so as expected there weren't any jumps detected. The water was quite choppy, so seems that the algorithm is pretty reliable in filtering out chop and small undulations of the sea.
Since my last reported sesh, I've only had 2 more sesh (wind has been pretty bad) and in one of them, I forgot my watch at home LOL (I put it to charge overnight and forgot to grab it before I left).
But yesterday I've got the chance to use it again, latest version V3.8, super gusty winds, waaay overpowered on my 10m Naish Triad
The app registered only 3 jumps with the highest one been 3.7 metres. As a reminder, I'm still mastering the art of jumping so I don't send it super hard, specially when overpowered haha
Anyway, even when I probably did about 15 jumps, only 3 registered which still better than in v3.5 which registered none. I forgot to try the calibration though, will try that next time
Also, thanks for the other fixes, I can also confirm that the activity type it's indeed recorded as kiteboarding and the jump metrics (highest jump, hangtime, etc) gets recorded within the activity. Although one of them, (longest jump) seems off with 27.7 metres
Thanks again for your awesome work, let me know if there is any specific data that you might find useful
Thanks,
What I have found from my south american tester :) , is that it is working extremely well in large swell in detecting the jumps, but I had issues with detection on the weekend of only around 70%, so I need to put some more tweaking into the trigger..
The jump height calcs in general were pretty accurate without any monsters.
In my experience almost all jumps are correctly identified. I don't remember a case where I jump and do not have a new reading on LIVE screen. It even detects my jump transitions that are 1.0-1.5-2.0m high. Also as I reported above - my surfboard session produced zero jump records which was the expected correct result. So my experience with jump detection had been nearly close to perfect.
On the other hand I really doubt my ability of consistently reaching 6-8m heights So I am curious if someone can compare with e.g. WOO or any other means of measuring jump height.
Hi all,
Thanks so much for the great discussion. It helped a lot in understanding the smartwatch game! For the Garmin INstinct 2, you mention that you had fixed bugs above, but then do not recommend it as a watch. Does it still work? For jumps of around 9m height.
Cheers! :)
I don't recomment the instinct.
Anything but that watch, it's been a nightmare changing the app just so it can run on it as it is so inferior to the other watches.
In my experience, jumping with good technique in strong winds ( overpowered ) that is where I also get a loss in the jump detection. If you are normally powered, and can send the kite and load up I think no problems, but in the overpowered condititions it's tending to disregard jumps.
Might be able to fix.
So 9 meters depends on if you are getting it by getting lofted, or by giving yourself a nice yank
Regarding the jump lengths, If you launch at 18kts, your almost doind 10 meters per second so 20, 30, 40, 50 meter long jumps are normal
100+ meter jumps and you've been lofted or are doing megaloops.
Select to expand quotedachopper said..
I don't recomment the instinct.
Anything but that watch, it's been a nightmare changing the app just so it can run on it as it is so inferior to the other watches.
In my experience, jumping with good technique in strong winds ( overpowered ) that is where I also get a loss in the jump detection. If you are normally powered, and can send the kite and load up I think no problems, but in the overpowered condititions it's tending to disregard jumps.
Might be able to fix.
So 9 meters depends on if you are getting it by getting lofted, or by giving yourself a nice yank
Regarding the jump lengths, If you launch at 18kts, your almost doind 10 meters per second so 20, 30, 40, 50 meter long jumps are normal
100+ meter jumps and you've been lofted or are doing megaloops.
Whoa dude! You're developing the holy grail! That's awesome!
Someone on Reddit posted about your app, so here I am! Greetings from the Netherlands.
I'm really stoked to try out your app in combination with my woo 3 and share/compare the data. Although I first have a holiday with the family so it will take a couple of weeks :).
Man, this is the best news I've got in years! Perhaps I can finally leave that annoying woo behind .
Anyhow, thanks again!
Mate, go for it.
Always interested to get more data, and see when it is good, and when it needs more work.
Select to expand quotedachopper said..
Mate, go for it.
Always interested to get more data, and see when it is good, and when it needs more work.
Hey Chops. Sorry to troll in here, but could you put a link to your app on your profile please? Makes it easier to find the details directly there than eye-balling all the thread responses for that info. Ta.
ps: bought a Fenix 5S. Finally get to run your app.
Select to expand quoteNorthernKitesAUS said..dachopper said..
Mate, go for it.
Always interested to get more data, and see when it is good, and when it needs more work.
Hey Chops. Sorry to troll in here, but could you put a link to your app on your profile please? Makes it easier to find the details directly there than eye-balling all the thread responses for that info. Ta.
ps: bought a Fenix 5S. Finally get to run your app.
Kitejump:
apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/ca00d0a1-542c-40eb-9ba5-869c8308d865
Sail Racer:
apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/1980c826-844a-47f7-9ca8-ffc0e09ba2ba
Select to expand quotedachopper said..
I don't recomment the instinct.
Anything but that watch, it's been a nightmare changing the app just so it can run on it as it is so inferior to the other watches.
In my experience, jumping with good technique in strong winds ( overpowered ) that is where I also get a loss in the jump detection. If you are normally powered, and can send the kite and load up I think no problems, but in the overpowered condititions it's tending to disregard jumps.
Might be able to fix.
So 9 meters depends on if you are getting it by getting lofted, or by giving yourself a nice yank
Regarding the jump lengths, If you launch at 18kts, your almost doind 10 meters per second so 20, 30, 40, 50 meter long jumps are normal
100+ meter jumps and you've been lofted or are doing megaloops.
Thanks so much for your reply! Okay, steering away from the instinct. The watch is for my partner who usually goes out in 20-27 knots. Is there any other more affordable watch you would recommed that still works well with your kite app?
Cheers! :)
Have a look at this list, and anything that has more than 500,000 Watch app memory limit should be fine.
developer.garmin.com/connect-iq/reference-guides/devices-reference/
Select to expand quotedachopper said..
Have a look at this list, and anything that has more than 500,000 Watch app memory limit should be fine.
developer.garmin.com/connect-iq/reference-guides/devices-reference/
Hi,
Thanks so much! That's sick! I went for the Forerunner 245 now. Is there going to be an update soon? I just saw that the HumbleSailor had a couple of issues with the 245 readings, and wondering whether these are fixed now :)
Also, I saw that the 245 measures elevation gain using GPS and map data, while the 255 has an actual barometric altimeter. Does this matter for the app?
Eagerly awaiting 
Hi, it matters not at all.
The type of jump, and the way you jump has a bigger errect
Select to expand quotedachopper said..
Hi, it matters not at all.
The type of jump, and the way you jump has a bigger errect Your app could save marriages mate!
