Remember whennmy rants didnt have any paragraphs or any punctuation at all now i add paraggraphs and its too many you lot are never happy anywho nonhard feelings anyone were all tribes being tribes
I recon everyone has gone a bit foil crazy. Foils are a beautiful thing and do everything better than a surfboard. They truck upwind, turn on a dime and catch waves very easily. BUT you have to ride very calculated and controlled because you don't want to cross the wrong end of the foil. With kitesurfing, above 20 knots, on the other hand you can just go for it. You can send the kite and just wait and see where it takes you. Or hit a section of a wave that you may or maynot make. It is a rush and a great release. What other type of sail can slingshot you like a kite. Flying kites is fun, so I won't be selling mine just yet.
Select to expand quotedrsurf said..
I think forums thrive when there's something new and people are excited enough to give it a go and seek out help online when they find it's not as easy as it looks. Forums are great to get support, tips and even instructional videos from those who've mastered whatever discipline you're into. I inhabit a global heavy machinery forum which is extremely active because equipment is always breaking down and owners need help or someone's bought a Bobcat on ebay and don't know how it works 
Some good points but no one uses forums for answers anymore as you can pretty much YouTube anything these days. People are so consumed with instant access to answers that they can't even be bothered to read text anymore. Most websites now reflect this as text doesn't even rank like it used to. YouTube, E-Books and Podcasts are the new forms of information and entertainment.
I don't necessarily like these changes, but this is our future 
DM 
Kiting has gone nuts. The skill level of guys and girls at the moment is insane both in big air, freestyle and wave kiting. Kiting has just changed. It's more about quality than quantity these days
Kitesurfing has entered a stage that Windsurfing entered in the early 2000s. When I started Windsurfing in 2008, it was the pits. But that is ok, because I was enjoying it, and progressing. This should be the same for all of you during your Kitesurfing adventure. Both Kite and Windsurfing are very cool sports IMO. The only thing that has changed is Kitesurfing is no longer flavour of the month. But, that is ok. Don't worry about it. Kitesurfing will never die. Seeing Kiters "go big" is a trademark draw card that you can take to the bank 
Its been 24hrs since jn1's reply.... and no posting in the kite forum at all. I recall when there was a day or two of no activity in the WS forum a couple of years back, and it was a bit disappointing
I thought it very telling that another poster here, kinda showed us all in this very thread, why people don't bother talking here anymore. How ironic, and sad at the same time.
Trouble is there is only a couple of those c0ckheads but they're proud of their behaviour.
Thank god for the ignore function huh.
Trouble is, mods just got rid of Heavy Weather, not the actual (minority) of farkheads who write utter crap and bag out everyone else.
^^^ Oh that shows how you made it to the top 5% in every single hardcore water sport.
Legend.
^^This is the type of inciting argument name calling stuff that caused the closure of heavy weather, seems the professional full time forum crew cant let it go, even after it was closed ages ago.
The closure of HW because of this type of thing was the best decision the mods ever made.
Kinda funny though, Markie complains forums are slow now because of people bagging others out,,,,,,
then bags others out????? lol
classic
I had a great kite yesterday in sydney. I'm no gun, but the pure joy of jumping, transitioning onto waves, stacking but then back up in an instant was so fantastic. That is what kiting is, loose, free and joyful. I haven't wind foiled, but they look to be concentrating hard, and kind of joyless. I think in 10 minutes I had more fun than they seem to get in an hour.
My ex use to console me with simular rhetoric to your last line.Select to expand quoteBowerboy said..
but they look to be concentrating hard, and kind of joyless. I think in 10 minutes I had more fun than they seem to get in an hour.
I think kiteing is cheating on you.
Select to expand quoteBowerboy said..
I had a great kite yesterday in sydney. I'm no gun, but the pure joy of jumping, transitioning onto waves, stacking but then back up in an instant was so fantastic. That is what kiting is, loose, free and joyful. I haven't wind foiled, but they look to be concentrating hard, and kind of joyless. I think in 10 minutes I had more fun than they seem to get in an hour.
Yeah, ive faded off kite foiling and back into mutant hacking about. Too much concentration, not enough reckless abandon with foiling.
Select to expand quotePlummet said.
Yeah, ive faded off kite foiling and back into mutant hacking about. Too much concentration, not enough reckless abandon with foiling.
The big but.. U have 2get good at it first..
Foiling is low on work out energy - I am still mentally dripping with sweat.. The epic cracked that joy when it flows.. Sooo good... Occasionally chuck in a good downwinder for abandon quotient
Weather patterns have been an anchor on regular TOW progress here for months..
Need to go on a trip Qld sunny coast is experiencing another pasting.. I emptied my pool couple of months back for maintenance.. Still emptying it every week..3-4000 litres inthere now since last Tuesday.. Meeh
Cheers
AP
Select to expand quoteAquaPlow said..Plummet said.
Yeah, ive faded off kite foiling and back into mutant hacking about. Too much concentration, not enough reckless abandon with foiling.
The big but.. U have 2get good at it first.. Foiling is low on work out energy - I am still mentally dripping with sweat.. The epic cracked that joy when it flows.. Sooo good... Occasionally chuck in a good downwinder for abandon quotient
Weather patterns have been an anchor on regular TOW progress here for months..
Need to go on a trip Qld sunny coast is experiencing another pasting.. I emptied my pool couple of months back for maintenance.. Still emptying it every week..3-4000 litres inthere now since last Tuesday.. Meeh
Cheers
AP
Well ive foiled up to 40 knots and up to double head surf and everything inbetween. So i guess good enough to know what i like. Big surf and big wind is more fun on the mutant and light wind and bugger all surf is more fun mountain biking..........
Occassionally Foil for a chillaxing zen session.
These days i cant be arsed with riding crud for the sake if it.
Man im just surfing if theres evan a sliver of a wave and freediveing with a cray hook if theres no waves. If you have enough surfboards you can have fun on nearly any wave anytime constantly seem to be swapping boards in and out trying to keep it to 4 boards max in the bus at a time
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
Since 2004 worldwide;
trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=windsurf,kitesurf,wing%20foil
Very good data reference. Thanks!
I am playing with the kitesurfing vs wingsurfing terms and I am so glad winging is still "down there" by comparison. Winging started being a "thing" around early 2020, and this shows it clearly.
trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=AU&q=%2Fm%2F01b7b1,%2Fg%2F11fl8xjkb7
However, if you add surfing as a trend term under Sport, it flattens everything else. Goes to show, a simple surfboard and the pleasure of catching a wave - is all it comes down to. 
Wheres lofty wheres lofty for a year i live in townsville kiteing asking where is mr lofty all i get told is he must be foiling on a foil with a foil at the sailing club what a shame
Anyways no one uses the term wingsurfing search wingdinging + wingsurfing
Select to expand quotevodka said..
Wheres lofty wheres lofty for a year i live in townsville kiteing asking where is mr lofty all i get told is he must be foiling on a foil with a foil at the sailing club what a shame
Anyways no one uses the term wingsurfing search wingdinging + wingsurfing
Hahaha.. gday Nathan!
Hey not my fault I came up from Melbourne with some class and culture behind me.
Select to expand quoteYeah kitesurfing is going down in Australia but not in other countries especially Europe and BrazilSelect to expand quoteI reckon Kiteboarding Australia is doing a very poor job and should look what the other countries associations are doing and work a bit harder 
Select to expand quotejunglist said..
Hmmmmmm many years away and nothing has changed
Yes you right nothing has changed !
Still not enough big air ,wave and not a single strapless free style events yet
Just look at Europe and they have lots of events all year around !
KA is only focus in racing and now winging !
This events are to boring to watch and doesn't attract Younger public.
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For what it is worth ,my take on the new foils and wing thing is
Been Kiting for long time , still kiting when wind is up as best water option, No wind go for surf , no surf go for a Sup
Have tried the wing thing ,boring to say the least ,Done some foiling on my kite again cant feel the waves and the ocean so whats the point , want to skim over the water well buy a jet ski
Kited for nearly 20 years now
Surfed since i was 14
Sup with the wife for 10 years
At 65 hopefully still running amuck on a kite in the waves most times for another ten years
No excuses to stop being in the water and feeling the ocean
Hey guys just to addition to the old fellas on this forum whom i have watched over the last and been lucky enough to kite with a few
Its great to see the old school still out there doing it , you all like me learnt on 2 and 4 line kites and got smashed every session but stuck at it for those of you who learnt on these you know what i mean and like me still have the scars
I having tried some of the new type of things , wing,foil and have to say were very easy to learn ,
so just to stir the pot ,is the new things more popular because they are easy ,or have we brought up soft generations MMMMM
What ever you are in to enjoy the ocean but for me kiteing and surfing will be there for the long haul
Select to expand quotebearbusa said..bearbusa said..
For what it is worth ,my take on the new foils and wing thing is
Been Kiting for long time , still kiting when wind is up as best water option, No wind go for surf , no surf go for a Sup
Have tried the wing thing ,boring to say the least ,Done some foiling on my kite again cant feel the waves and the ocean so whats the point , want to skim over the water well buy a jet ski
Kited for nearly 20 years now
Surfed since i was 14
Sup with the wife for 10 years
At 65 hopefully still running amuck on a kite in the waves most times for another ten years
No excuses to stop being in the water and feeling the ocean
Hey guys just to addition to the old fellas on this forum whom i have watched over the last and been lucky enough to kite with a few
Its great to see the old school still out there doing it , you all like me learnt on 2 and 4 line kites and got smashed every session but stuck at it for those of you who learnt on these you know what i mean and like me still have the scars
I having tried some of the new type of things , wing,foil and have to say were very easy to learn ,
so just to stir the pot ,is the new things more popular because they are easy ,or have we brought up soft generations MMMMM
What ever you are in to enjoy the ocean but for me kiteing and surfing will be there for the long haul
Don't know about soft generations most foilers I know are 48+yrs.
Easier to learn without a doubt.
And most foilers I know can't even do a front roll or a decent backroll on a TT and will never try to give it a go.
But all I hear is that I can sit down on the foil now blah blah.
First get good or even average at riding a TT then use a foil imo.
The crazy thing to me is guys are foiling in 15-19 knots. That powered 14-12m TT riding conditions.
But if they are having fun in the water all the best to them.
Just so many more tricks that you can do on a TT compared to a foil.
Saw one of the first kites in Maui back in the mid 90's. I said back then it's just a fad and will eventually die out.
hilarious how the bullys are first to run to the teacher 
