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Does anyone kitefoil

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Created by warwickl 26 days ago, 3 May 2023
warwickl
NSW, 2066 posts
3 May 2023 5:09PM
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Or is everyone happy with their lot with no questions or anything to share?
I haven't kitefoiled for a long time due to windwing and look here for motivation to kitefoil again.

Gorgo
VIC, 4823 posts
3 May 2023 6:38PM
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I still kitefoil. There's a range of conditions and circumstances where wings don't work very well but a kite is hugely good fun. Light winds, jumping, upwind coast runs, some shore breaks. All much better fun with a kite.

There are some conditions where a wing is better. Gusty offshore-ish winds. Squalls. Cramped launch/landing conditions. The "killer app" is waves. Waves and wings are pure joy. Gybing on a wave face never gets tired.

Occasionally I miss the clean simplicity of throwing up a kite and blasting off. I have a couple of thousand kite foiling hours and they're all good. Possibly the worst is when you reach a certain skill level it can be a bit easy and bordering on dull. (Tip add more wind and go harder.)

Wings have all sorts of negatives that can get depressing. Wind lulls where you get stuck on the surface or pumping like a mad thing. Very slow upwind performance (much faster with a harness). All the random damage that happens with wings and foils come into contact. Apparently a very short life due to wear and tear.

AquaPlow
QLD, 1050 posts
5 May 2023 7:44AM
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What Gorgo said (but at lower skill levels )
About to try down wind foiling on SUP but the paddle up on foil is not happening yet. Am planning on using smallest kite on short lines to try building on foil pumping skills (way off ATM)..
Down wind swell runs with kite (Peaks) give me a high..
The PITA is 70+% time working upwind for down wind blast.. Mindset change required = make whole run downwind like surfing run..
cheers
AP

AquaPlow
QLD, 1050 posts
5 May 2023 12:58PM
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Referencing previous post.
The question I have - wing ding board / small kite combo with or without a board leash??
When Kite foiling I am detached from board but have a spare safety leash to hook up board if kite likely to need more than a few seconds to relaunch. In early days at least half the relaunch fails (Peak Kites again) were due to the foil drifting into the kite lines before I had wind in the kite to stop flooding..
Kite foiling - I had a couple of startling - early in the learning cycle - foil going through the kite line experiences with LEI kites which powered up - no desire to repeat
With the Wing and board I am leashed to waist with the board.
I am leaning towards trying the ding board kite combo without a leash although I know 1) the board will motor off if given the chance and 2) The board is way less likely to turn into a missile as heavier and I am way less likely to achieve the same power through the feet to launch the board.
Thoughts?
Cheers
AP

Gorgo
VIC, 4823 posts
5 May 2023 5:26PM
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If you're exploring ultra light wind foiling with a Peak and a wing board then a leash is useful. The chances of the board getting flicked at you are low, and the chances of you getting separated from the board are relatively high.

There's not a lot of benefit to kite foiling with a wing foiling board, or even a kite foil board with a wing foil attached. At those super light winds the lack of power and cumbersome nature of the board and foil makes dealing with all that stuff really difficult.

If there's enough wind to get a little bit of power to stabilise everything then there's enough wind to get going with a normal kite foiling board and foil, and it's much easier because you can whip the kite around and make power and get going.

A big wing foil tends to rear up when you try to water start with a kite. I've had to stand with both feet on the nose to keep the foil down. A high aspect wing foil is a bit easier because it can take a bit of speed on the surface before you get up on the foil. It's doable and sort of stupid grin inducing to be puttering around on an inappropriate foil.

A floaty wing board is too big to water start. With a Peak it's easy enough to have the kite sit there while you climb up on the board and get to your feet. There's no power from the kite so standing upright is hard and getting going harder again. It seems to work to stay on one knee and get some speed up before standing up and riding away.

It's worth doing purely for something to do when the wind is too light to do anything else. I used a climbing harness to avoid the risk of dinging my very fragile light wind SUP foil board with the harness hook.

KBGhost
QLD, 243 posts
6 May 2023 12:56PM
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warwickl said..
Or is everyone happy with their lot with no questions or anything to share?
I haven't kitefoiled for a long time due to windwing and look here for motivation to kitefoil again.


Yes I do. After working my way through many many foils and boards, I now ride the products below and couldn't be happier with my gear, whether it's flat water or waves. 95% of the time I'm doing circles around dingers feeling vaguely sorry for them. I find big boards dead under your feet.

www.tritonfoils.com/t1.html
www.goldcoastkitesurfing.com.au/product/naish-hover-s27-kite-foil-microchip/

drsurf
NSW, 168 posts
10 May 2023 1:27AM
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warwickl said..
Or is everyone happy with their lot with no questions or anything to share?
I haven't kitefoiled for a long time due to windwing and look here for motivation to kitefoil again.


Hi Warwick here's some motivation

Carry all your foiling gear, board and kite under one arm down to the beach having driven there in a very reasonably sized vehicle that easily fits and carries your fully assembled foil and board inside. This is because your board is around 1m long & weighs 2-3kg and your foil setup is smaller than most wingfoilers use in lighter winds.

Lay out your small kite and lines, no pumping required for Flysurfer Peak & Hybrid kites, hot launch, walk to deep enough water and with one flick of the bar launch yourself up onto your foil.

The wind is only around 10 knots ... great Heaps of fun kitefoiling in light winds with an inexpensive 5m or smaller kite. Have a relaxing foil for a kilometre or two upwind and then ride the foil downwind working every bit bit of wind chop with the kite just floating above you. Make a few sharp turns around some wingfoilers who couldn't see where they were going, practice pumping if you've got a suitable foil, race a TT rider or two who are mowing the lawn with humungous kites and repeat to your hearts content.
If the wind picks up to over 20 knots try a 2.5m kite, even more fun

I think some kite foilers have been using kites which were designed for TT or Surfboard riding which are nowhere near as much fun as simpler, lighter, small kites which are designed for foiling. Also many haven't experimented with the latest foil designs in the smaller sizes from many manufacturers which can give you a totally different feel to the foils you may have used in the past.

As KBGhost has mentioned there are foils like the Triton which have a fantastic loose, manoeuvrable feel and ride so smoothly, unlike conventional foils. And your board length can be 80cm and cost less than $600 for a Naish Microchip. No swing weight there!
The Flysurfer Peak & Hybrid kites minimise setup and pack down time, no pumping, simple bridles, low maintenance, long lasting, reasonably priced, plenty of instant power/depower in a small package and drift unmatched by any other kite.
And everything can be cheaper than wingfoiling gear

And if you have the money and desire you can get a racefoil setup with a high aspect kite and try to achieve 40 knots on the water without killing yourself.

Hope you have some fun kitefoiling now

warwickl
NSW, 2066 posts
10 May 2023 7:00AM
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drsurf said..

warwickl said..
Or is everyone happy with their lot with no questions or anything to share?
I haven't kitefoiled for a long time due to windwing and look here for motivation to kitefoil again.



Hi Warwick here's some motivation

Carry all your foiling gear, board and kite under one arm down to the beach having driven there in a very reasonably sized vehicle that easily fits and carries your fully assembled foil and board inside. This is because your board is around 1m long & weighs 2-3kg and your foil setup is smaller than most wingfoilers use in lighter winds.

Lay out your small kite and lines, no pumping required for Flysurfer Peak & Hybrid kites, hot launch, walk to deep enough water and with one flick of the bar launch yourself up onto your foil.

The wind is only around 10 knots ... great Heaps of fun kitefoiling in light winds with an inexpensive 5m or smaller kite. Have a relaxing foil for a kilometre or two upwind and then ride the foil downwind working every bit bit of wind chop with the kite just floating above you. Make a few sharp turns around some wingfoilers who couldn't see where they were going, practice pumping if you've got a suitable foil, race a TT rider or two who are mowing the lawn with humungous kites and repeat to your hearts content.
If the wind picks up to over 20 knots try a 2.5m kite, even more fun

I think some kite foilers have been using kites which were designed for TT or Surfboard riding which are nowhere near as much fun as simpler, lighter, small kites which are designed for foiling. Also many haven't experimented with the latest foil designs in the smaller sizes from many manufacturers which can give you a totally different feel to the foils you may have used in the past.

As KBGhost has mentioned there are foils like the Triton which have a fantastic loose, manoeuvrable feel and ride so smoothly, unlike conventional foils. And your board length can be 80cm and cost less than $600 for a Naish Microchip. No swing weight there!
The Flysurfer Peak & Hybrid kites minimise setup and pack down time, no pumping, simple bridles, low maintenance, long lasting, reasonably priced, plenty of instant power/depower in a small package and drift unmatched by any other kite.
And everything can be cheaper than wingfoiling gear

And if you have the money and desire you can get a racefoil setup with a high aspect kite and try to achieve 40 knots on the water without killing yourself.

Hope you have some fun kitefoiling now


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Sandee
QLD, 103 posts
10 May 2023 11:51AM
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Nicely summed up by Dr Surf! Winds blowing now so I'm going to have to grab the foil-board and a tiny Peak4 & get out amongst it!

horey69
QLD, 486 posts
15 May 2023 5:21PM
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I'm with Gorgo,
I've gotten to a place where my skill level says hey you need to learn something knew, then I get stopped by the thought of crashing a 1000 times.
Then the next day it's 20+ and there is wind swell in the bay so out comes the wing gear.
The next time I kite foil I'm back to where I was.
Think I just need to take more risk (side note I'm 54 so risk isn't that attractive).

Sandee
QLD, 103 posts
16 May 2023 7:17AM
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horey69 said.
Think I just need to take more risk (side note I'm 54 so risk isn't that attractive).



I'm not so sure that risk will become any more attractive when you get older, young fella??

horey69
QLD, 486 posts
16 May 2023 11:46AM
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Sandee said..

horey69 said.
Think I just need to take more risk (side note I'm 54 so risk isn't that attractive).




I'm not so sure that risk will become any more attractive when you get older, young fella??


I hear ya, it's not easy pushing past your comfort limit.
Still will keep trying

RAL INN
VIC, 2876 posts
19 May 2023 7:00PM
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I've kitefoiled maybe once in last year.
my wing kit is in a container stored away.
im back on my 2004 Wipika TT (125 x 39)
and if I go out it's with either my Notus 10 or Pivot 9
feeling young again. Well at least for first few minutes till knees say "we're too ****** old for this ****".

chesty
TAS, 22 posts
20 May 2023 7:08PM
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I still prefer kite foil also
I only wing ding when the conditions aren't suitable for kiting
I just love the wind range and the power you have with the kitefoil compared to the narrow wind range with the ding
Great kite foil session today 10 to 25 kts on 9m enduro while the dings were dogging in the lulls



IntrepidMrD
1 posts
Monday , 22 May 2023 9:18AM
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I live in HK and kite foiling is the only thing I do. It's awesome.

My preference is 10m Slingshot Ghost, or 7m Slingshot UFO, with a Phantasm 92cm with a few different wings. I use footstraps on a 110cm Dwarfcraft board as I do a lot of jumping, rolls, freestyle shennanigans, etc.

I don't think I could go back to twin-tips unless it was 25+ knots, and that just doesn't happen here!

Alysum
NSW, 995 posts
3 hours ago , 30 May 2023 6:48AM
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Still kite foil every now and then in light winds despite mostly on the wing.

I like how I have a 360deg view around me without a wing also only one hand required to control...



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