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Happy 4th July

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Created by Carantoc > 9 months ago, 4 Jul 2022
Carantoc
WA, 6358 posts
4 Jul 2022 7:21AM
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...or July the 4th as normal people say.

Anyways it is worth remembering just how the dream started. I always find this to be one of the most concise summaries of US history :

Mr Milk
NSW, 2887 posts
4 Jul 2022 11:33AM
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It didn't mention the immigrant problem at the Texas border. When you reach it, how will you get across? Row vs wade?

Mark _australia
WA, 22109 posts
4 Jul 2022 9:54AM
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No, the 4th of July

Yanks are weird with dates huh I guess you can say the day and month in any order but not if you include the year. That's irritating
Saying July 4 2022 is like saying Smith St number 1, Australia, Sydney.

Anyway yes today, we all celebrate independence - Will Smith kicking alien arse.
Well, tomorrow we do cos its still 3rd of July in seppoland.



Mr Milk
NSW, 2887 posts
4 Jul 2022 12:20PM
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Well, you better tell the Commonwealth Health Department they're wrong. I got my bowel cancer screening kit last week. The use by date on the sample tube is 2022-12-31.
Noun then adjective is the syntax in French. July is the noun and 4th is the adjective.
I haven't a clue how it goes in Chinese, Indian or African languages.

Mark _australia
WA, 22109 posts
4 Jul 2022 10:24PM
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No that's fine. Its going from least specific to most. Year, month, day
Alternately, most to least - day, month year. so 2022-12-31 makes perfect sense.

2022-31-12 would be dumb and that is what USA does. EG: They say July 4 and that's fine until you put the year on the end of that statement and it becomes silly.

I don't give my address as Australia, Geraldton, WA, number 1 Mark St. Nor DOB as September 1983 29th 34minutes 7 am
We do least specific identifier to most (or the other way around).

Anyway Happy Birthday you crazy cats over the atlantic or pacific.

psychojoe
WA, 1861 posts
5 Jul 2022 3:22AM
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Mark _australia said..
No that's fine. Its going from least specific to most. Year, month, day
Alternately, most to least - day, month year. so 2022-12-31 makes perfect sense.

2022-31-12 would be dumb and that is what USA does. EG: They say July 4 and that's fine until you put the year on the end of that statement and it becomes silly.

I don't give my address as Australia, Geraldton, WA, number 1 Mark St. Nor DOB as September 1983 29th 34minutes 7 am
We do least specific identifier to most (or the other way around).

Anyway Happy Birthday you crazy cats over the atlantic or pacific.


Yeah but we say our numbers from eleven through to nineteen backwards

Rails
QLD, 1371 posts
5 Jul 2022 6:05AM
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They really know how to throw a parade, don't even know they live under a corporate tyranny

Death to the weapons lobby would be something to really celebrate, for the whole world.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
5 Jul 2022 8:11AM
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Mr Milk said..
Well, you better tell the Commonwealth Health Department they're wrong. I got my bowel cancer screening kit last week. The use by date on the sample tube is 2022-12-31.
Noun then adjective is the syntax in French. July is the noun and 4th is the adjective.
I haven't a clue how it goes in Chinese, Indian or African languages.


The Year-Month-Day format is an ISO standard. It's used all the time in databases. The only time you have to use anything else is when you're trying to make the date human readable. It makes more sense than any other format, it goes from most significant number down to least significant, in order.

Yeah the whole month-day thing in Yankeeland is puzzling. It's almost as if someone had the bright idea to flip the dates around, so that their files lined up in order as they went through the year. They just didn't consider the rollover problem that happens at the end of the year. (bit like the Y2K bug).

Carantoc
WA, 6358 posts
5 Jul 2022 8:46AM
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nebbian said..
.. It makes more sense than any other format, it goes from most significant number down to least significant, in order


and is also sortable into date sequence, going oldest to newest.

......but only since 0 AD and only to 10,000 AD.

The Y2K bug was nothing compared to what will happen at midnight on Dec 31st in the year 9,999.......


Carantoc
WA, 6358 posts
5 Jul 2022 9:51AM
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Got to be careful recording time in different systems.

Because when time goes wrong all sorts of weird stuff can happen :




Macroscien
QLD, 6791 posts
5 Jul 2022 9:24PM
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That is really interesting question: What exactly people do celebrate on 4th July ??


OK,
few centuries passed
and there are still
few British colonies left in the world.
Next question is :If some countries should celebrate
their independence when time comes
on

5th July , Aussie ??

6 th Kiwi

7 th ??
8 ??? Falklands
..nn
or alternatively all should celebrate on the same day of 4th July?

Rails
QLD, 1371 posts
6 Jul 2022 4:29AM
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Every year on July 4, to much fanfare and revelry, the United States marks its 1776 independence from Britain.

But just how "free" are Americans, at the end of the day? Even as the country manages to spend trillions upon trillions of dollars on bellicose endeavours, Americans themselves are deprived of such basic rights as affordable healthcare, education and housing. Homelessness is a veritable epidemic in the US - and has reached a level not seen in drastically poorer countries.

In April, the New York Times quoted San Francisco emergency room doctor Maria Raven on the recent dreadful uptick in homeless deaths in America: "It's like a wartime death toll in places where there is no war."

Then again, maybe there is in fact a war - and one that America is waging on its own people.

Not only are Americans decidedly not "free" from poverty or homelessness, but the US also boasts the highest incarceration rate in the world - an arrangement that has traditionally filled the coffers of the private prison industry to the detriment of, well, society.

And following the June 24 Supreme Court ruling on abortion, women in the US can dispense with any illusion of freedom of control over their own bodies - especially poor women of colour, who do not have the relative socioeconomic freedom to pursue alternate options that override the reproductive fascism of the state.

Nor are children in the US free to go to school without having to worry about being mown down by a semi-automatic weapon or other lethal device. Recall the case of 11-year-old Miah Cerrillo, a survivor of the May 24 massacre of 19 students and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. As CNN reported, Cerrillo "feared the gunman would come back for her so she smeared herself in her friend's blood and played dead".

I dare say that is not what freedom looks like.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
6 Jul 2022 6:53PM
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Rails said..
I dare say that is not what freedom looks like.


I'm curious -- what DOES the author think freedom looks like...?

psychojoe
WA, 1861 posts
7 Jul 2022 10:19AM
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Rails said..
Every year on July 4, to much fanfare and revelry, the United States marks its 1776 independence from Britain.

But just how "free" are Americans, at the end of the day? Even as the country manages to spend trillions upon trillions of dollars on bellicose endeavours, Americans themselves are deprived of such basic rights as affordable healthcare, education and housing. Homelessness is a veritable epidemic in the US - and has reached a level not seen in drastically poorer countries.

In April, the New York Times quoted San Francisco emergency room doctor Maria Raven on the recent dreadful uptick in homeless deaths in America: "It's like a wartime death toll in places where there is no war."

Then again, maybe there is in fact a war - and one that America is waging on its own people.

Not only are Americans decidedly not "free" from poverty or homelessness, but the US also boasts the highest incarceration rate in the world - an arrangement that has traditionally filled the coffers of the private prison industry to the detriment of, well, society.

And following the June 24 Supreme Court ruling on abortion, women in the US can dispense with any illusion of freedom of control over their own bodies - especially poor women of colour, who do not have the relative socioeconomic freedom to pursue alternate options that override the reproductive fascism of the state.

Nor are children in the US free to go to school without having to worry about being mown down by a semi-automatic weapon or other lethal device. Recall the case of 11-year-old Miah Cerrillo, a survivor of the May 24 massacre of 19 students and two teachers at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. As CNN reported, Cerrillo "feared the gunman would come back for her so she smeared herself in her friend's blood and played dead".

I dare say that is not what freedom looks like.


And malnutrition. Ok, there's sure to be more deaths due to lack of macronutrients in parts of Africa but without so much as a back of the envelope calculation I'm certain micronutrient deficiency is killing an even greater number in America.



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