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Upgrading from axis black short to advanced ultra short.

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Created by dkeating > 9 months ago, 22 Mar 2023
dkeating
VIC, 253 posts
22 Mar 2023 4:29PM
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After reading all the info on the advanced fuselages ( wing 40mm closer to mast.)
As an intermediate wing foiler still can't gybe.
Would I benefit from upgrading from the short black to the ultra short advanced black. Would 40mm make much difference as the mast would also be in a different position.
What advantages would this provide over the short.
Riding fanatic skywing 105L. And Hps 1050, 980.
Thanks for any input
Dale

Driks
105 posts
22 Mar 2023 2:32PM
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Jo!
I changed from red short to red advanced ultra using png 1150 and 910. It made the set much more turntable. But I started to stand jibes more and more before. So it was a great Improvement to me as the 1150 is more lively now. I guess u will experience the same with ur 1050. I also got this and directly bought advanced crazy short. At least I don't know if u will improve ur jibes with it. Maybe it's a problem because it's less stable then. But I can tell you... With crazy short I start to turn that think right at the point. That's insane.
Greetings

Alysum
NSW, 1024 posts
23 Mar 2023 12:05AM
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No it won't accelerate your progression. You should nail your gybes before going to a shorter fuse as you need stability from the short fuse during your learning process.

JakeDawg69
64 posts
23 Mar 2023 9:18PM
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The Axis 1050 on a short fuse is about the best foil setup you can use for gybing. I use the 420 stab. Your board is small enough to not hinder your gybes. My guess is that you don't have your center of balance setup correctly. Turn the board upside down and lift up from the middle of the front foil. Your board should be level. If not, slide the mast up the track until it is. Now really focus on a short stance and level riding. You should feel like you are riding the foil instead of sailing the wing. Find some flat water with about 20 knots of wind. If you have a boom or hard handles, turn your front wrist upside down so you can use it as leverage through the turns as you flip the wing. Speed up right before the turn and keep constant foot pressure through the carve. Keep that wing above your head and out in front of you. Don't lean back! Once you are 60% through the turn, bring the wing down in front of you and switch hands. Your feet will now be switched. Learn how to ride like that and then try and gybe back around which should be easier with your feet switched. Eventually you'll have to learn how to switch feet. I find a waist leash is less cumbersome than a wrist leash. It frees up your hands. Just make sure your front hand is under the waist leash before the gybe. And no more mowing the lawn. One has to commit to learning how to gybe. It doubles your foiling time and fun on the water because you'll feel like Superman
because you'll have a better sense of balance on the foil (pumping, turning, down winding, surfing, staying in the wind and surf zone).

dkeating
VIC, 253 posts
24 Mar 2023 2:34AM
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JakeDawg69 said..
The Axis 1050 on a short fuse is about the best foil setup you can use for gybing. I use the 420 stab. Your board is small enough to not hinder your gybes. My guess is that you don't have your center of balance setup correctly. Turn the board upside down and lift up from the middle of the front foil. Your board should be level. If not, slide the mast up the track until it is. Now really focus on a short stance and level riding. You should feel like you are riding the foil instead of sailing the wing. Find some flat water with about 20 knots of wind. If you have a boom or hard handles, turn your front wrist upside down so you can use it as leverage through the turns as you flip the wing. Speed up right before the turn and keep constant foot pressure through the carve. Keep that wing above your head and out in front of you. Don't lean back! Once you are 60% through the turn, bring the wing down in front of you and switch hands. Your feet will now be switched. Learn how to ride like that and then try and gybe back around which should be easier with your feet switched. Eventually you'll have to learn how to switch feet. I find a waist leash is less cumbersome than a wrist leash. It frees up your hands. Just make sure your front hand is under the waist leash before the gybe. And no more mowing the lawn. One has to commit to learning how to gybe. It doubles your foiling time and fun on the water because you'll feel like Superman
because you'll have a better sense of balance on the foil (pumping, turning, down winding, surfing, staying in the wind and surf zone).


Thanks for making the effort to provide such a comprehensive summary.
So many good points jumping out from reading this, before I even get back on the water.

warwickl
NSW, 2173 posts
24 Mar 2023 7:44AM
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Something rarely mentioned is to bend your knees while keeping body vertical inline with the mast. Doing this puts weight on your toes and makes carving around way easier.
It's important to maintain bent knees until the jybing is completed.
People tend to take weight off their toes when reaching for the windwing then they just go down wind.
I had success when I repeated to myself ' bend your knees ' over and over until the jybe was completed

don
QLD, 52 posts
24 Mar 2023 11:01AM
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All that Jake mentioned. Controlled speed is your friend.

r0d
107 posts
25 Mar 2023 4:18AM
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Another vote for not changing your set up.
In my experience you want as much stability (and glide) as possible to nail gybes.

The 1050 and short fuse turns perfectly well. Easily well enough to gybe pretty tightly (it's my light wind set up).

Haircut
QLD, 6480 posts
27 Mar 2023 9:23PM
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i used both for a few moths. Wasn't much difference between them.

WaterNomads
56 posts
2 Apr 2023 4:25AM
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Two tips that helped me a lot with my jibes:
Bend your knees (as mentioned already) and
Look where you're going (as with all board sports).
Good luck!

mudlake
10 posts
8 Apr 2023 4:52PM
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From my experience the fuse-length also depends on the water surface/state: The more chop, the longer the fuselage for more pitch stability!
When learning jibes you are not limited by a longer fuselage, but you gain a lot of stability and comfort through the jibe!
My advice: As soon as you have 90% success rate in foiling jibes, you can still try a shorter fuse for more radical turns!

FoilWays
116 posts
9 Apr 2023 6:13AM
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By the way, I ran the Advance Crazyshort for a few months and eventually settled back on the standard Ultrashort. At least for the way I ride, I prefer it.



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