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Why is the industry so reluctant to make big wave boards?

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Created by Dcharlton > 9 months ago, 31 Mar 2020
LeeD
3939 posts
6 Apr 2020 8:37AM
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There you go, proof your mind is made up.
I still haven't seen video of George Washington crossing the Delaware....so did he?

martyj4
500 posts
6 Apr 2020 8:52AM
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LeeD, PROVE me wrong and put up some evidence.
I can't prevent you doing that. You're the one who wont.
We all wonder why you won't. So show us what you've done.

Madge
NSW, 469 posts
6 Apr 2020 11:13AM
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LeeD said..
There you go, proof your mind is made up.
I still haven't seen video of George Washington crossing the Delaware....so did he?


Who cares, that was in America and this is an Ozzie site.........Stop quoting things in pounds too as only out of date idiots use that when the boards they ride are in litres, maybe you could change that to pints....

Isn't Delaware like a plastic tub you put food into anyway.....????

P.C_simpson
NSW, 1489 posts
6 Apr 2020 1:38PM
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LeeD said..
There you go, proof your mind is made up.
I still haven't seen video of George Washington crossing the Delaware....so did he?


Who the hell is George Washington, never herd of her, was she trying to sell Tupperware?

ratz
WA, 469 posts
6 Apr 2020 12:48PM
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stehsegler said..

LeeD said..
Scott's Evo worked pretty well in small, slow, soft breaking surf. He recommended Evo for fast moving hollow waves. You Aussies always brag about how fast and powerful your waves are.
That misleads people.





I think this should settle the discussion... Starboard Evo, Gnaraloo, Western Australia, September 2008.
Now keep the discussion polite and respectful or go troll somewhere else...






looks a bit small and mushy to me
not like the awesome waves they have in the usa.

Flying Dutchman
WA, 1330 posts
6 Apr 2020 9:28PM
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Found a picture of LeeD online.... seems like he is legit.




bigdaz
NSW, 323 posts
7 Apr 2020 12:27PM
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LeeD said..
There you go, proof your mind is made up.
I still haven't seen video of George Washington crossing the Delaware....so did he?


Well early American history is probably not our strong point - you should probably ask us did William Lawson really cross the Blue Mountains??? But with a bit of quick online research I can see that George Washington did indeed cross the Delaware and there appears to be a multitude of historical documents that back this up.... as there is for the Crossing of the Blue Mountains by Lawson and a couple of his mates, Blaxland and Wentworth - if you were curious for the answer.

My point being, history and facts are available to us today based on evidence - of which you seem unable to provide regarding your designs.

Throw us a bone, give us some actual proof of your designs, I dare ya!!!

.........We are waiting

hoop
1979 posts
7 Apr 2020 9:44PM
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??I LeeD said..
People.
Nobody is beyond reproach.
I'm sure, out of my first 30 surfboards, I shaped 10 bad ones. Luckily, I had two good riders who could make almost any shape work. You can bet they railed on me for the bad ones.




Sorry to come back to this, I noticed it earlier and I had to laugh
10 out of 30 turned out to be dungers !!!
I'm sorry but that is absolutely hilarious !!
Good thing you didn't keep going, you would have starved to death

LeeD
3939 posts
8 Apr 2020 12:32AM
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10 dungers out of the first 30 is actually pretty good!
Out of those 1st 30 included 6' x 22" what became"bunker" boards, 7' x 17" what became "Hanalei miniguns", 9'7" x 19 7/8 full gun, an actual "normal at the time 6'4" x 20 single with 4" sidebites, and a 5'8" twin with 6.5" fins.
Ist board was ridden in 1967. 5th was ridden by summer '67.
By the time I joined the Army in '70, had shaped 112 boards.
Shaped over 200 more after discharge, took up motocross in '77.

NordRoi
621 posts
8 Apr 2020 3:22AM
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So LeeD, what are you saying? You are the initiator of the revolution of surfboard when most board were 9' and over in 67 and in 2-3 years they were in the 6'0-6'6" range? so you shaped new design before the time or with the dudes that made the revolution in surfboard? With who you were shaping back then?

LeeD
3939 posts
8 Apr 2020 5:13AM
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You are off by 1 or 2 years.
In 1967, mid 7 foot boards were ridden most places in US. We'd already seen pictures of deep V boards but were stuck copying Hawaiin mini guns with more width.
By late '67, 6' Bunker boards were all over SanDiego breaks, especially along Sunset Cliffs.
The reason I made a short, thick, downrailed board was because longer blanks were not available at the time, and my previous year board was a 7'7" x 22 deep V bottom "copy" of the Nat/Midget/McTavish designs of late '66.
I needed float then, so barely skinned the blank and down rails were easy to shape.
Not an innovator by any means, I copied and modified.

Brent in Qld
WA, 835 posts
8 Apr 2020 5:32AM
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LeeD said..
10 dungers out of the first 30 is actually pretty good!
Out of those 1st 30 included 6' x 22" what became"bunker" boards, 7' x 17" what became "Hanalei miniguns", 9'7" x 19 7/8 full gun, an actual "normal at the time 6'4" x 20 single with 4" sidebites, and a 5'8" twin with 6.5" fins.
Ist board was ridden in 1967. 5th was ridden by summer '67.
By the time I joined the Army in '70, had shaped 112 boards.
Shaped over 200 more after discharge, took up motocross in '77.


One picture is worth a thousand words. Here's how it works LeeD

I once earnt a living building boards for a nice bloke in Western Oz in the early 90's. Here is a picture of one being finished.


If you don't have any images, please just tell us & let us all move on. Thanks

hoop
1979 posts
8 Apr 2020 6:23AM
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Wasn't this a discussion about large volume wave boards?
Go start your own thread in the surfing forum if you want to blow your own trumpet.
Most guys there know what they're talking about with regards to design so they'll get a good laugh out of your crap.

R1DER
WA, 1455 posts
8 Apr 2020 7:31AM
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LeeD said..
There you go, proof your mind is made up.
I still haven't seen video of George Washington crossing the Delaware....so did he?


Derrrrr they didn't have video cameras back then.

DunkO
NSW, 1143 posts
8 Apr 2020 2:32PM
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Brent in Qld said..

LeeD said..
10 dungers out of the first 30 is actually pretty good!
Out of those 1st 30 included 6' x 22" what became"bunker" boards, 7' x 17" what became "Hanalei miniguns", 9'7" x 19 7/8 full gun, an actual "normal at the time 6'4" x 20 single with 4" sidebites, and a 5'8" twin with 6.5" fins.
Ist board was ridden in 1967. 5th was ridden by summer '67.
By the time I joined the Army in '70, had shaped 112 boards.
Shaped over 200 more after discharge, took up motocross in '77.



One picture is worth a thousand words. Here's how it works LeeD

I once earnt a living building boards for a nice bloke in Western Oz in the early 90's. Here is a picture of one being finished.


If you don't have any images, please just tell us & let us all move on. Thanks


That's a filth looking board!

R1DER
WA, 1455 posts
8 Apr 2020 4:48PM
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Madge
NSW, 469 posts
8 Apr 2020 8:26PM
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Has no one actually noticed that the land board is being used upside down, or is that because I'm in Oz its the right way up....???

Toesup
WA, 93 posts
8 Apr 2020 9:21PM
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its simple big board take up more room in the containers,more materials to make.

scott mckerc
WA, 283 posts
9 Apr 2020 9:45AM
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I agree with Lee D
The Evo was a complete marketing hoax


LeeD
3939 posts
9 Apr 2020 9:50AM
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Obviously, that pic is not an Evo by Starboard.
LOTS were sold, I know that.
Lots of Hypersonics were sold too.
But would you care to go back to either?

scott mckerc
WA, 283 posts
9 Apr 2020 11:08AM
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LeeD said..
Obviously, that pic is not an Evo by Starboard.
LOTS were sold, I know that.
Lots of Hypersonics were sold too.
But would you care to go back to either?



yeah. we never used production boards in hawaii for the photoshoots.

Madge
NSW, 469 posts
9 Apr 2020 1:27PM
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scott mckerc said..

LeeD said..
Obviously, that pic is not an Evo by Starboard.
LOTS were sold, I know that.
Lots of Hypersonics were sold too.
But would you care to go back to either?




yeah. we never used production boards in hawaii for the photoshoots.


You'll never be as good as LeeD........

hoop
1979 posts
9 Apr 2020 2:54PM
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Ya see ? I told you Scotty was a kook

Gestalt
QLD, 14123 posts
9 Apr 2020 5:25PM
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my favourite thread ever.... lol.

lee's world... population 1.

Donk
NSW, 390 posts
9 Apr 2020 5:56PM
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Covid 19 does funny things to some people

Brent in Qld
WA, 835 posts
9 Apr 2020 4:27PM
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scott mckerc said..
I agree with Lee D
The Evo was a complete marketing hoax



Photoshop

LeeD
3939 posts
10 Apr 2020 12:58AM
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If it was photoshopped, they would have used an Evo.
Look at the board.
AssUming you know the wave rocker of an Evo.

Mark _australia
WA, 22090 posts
10 Apr 2020 3:45AM
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Do tell, Lee

Looks like an Evo of about 2004 vintage to me

NordRoi
621 posts
10 Apr 2020 4:20AM
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scott mckerc said..


LeeD said..
Obviously, that pic is not an Evo by Starboard.
LOTS were sold, I know that.
Lots of Hypersonics were sold too.
But would you care to go back to either?





yeah. we never used production boards in hawaii for the photoshoots.



Interesting! Photoshoot were in April/May, but they were releasing the board in January back then.?

I'm not saying the production board were not good, but it is really possible that you were using a custom painted as a evo and that would be find, they still do it now with many brands. Could be a prototype that would be used for the official version as well. If shape and dimension were similar, why not?

scott mckerc
WA, 283 posts
10 Apr 2020 4:40AM
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NordRoi said..

scott mckerc said..



LeeD said..
Obviously, that pic is not an Evo by Starboard.
LOTS were sold, I know that.
Lots of Hypersonics were sold too.
But would you care to go back to either?






yeah. we never used production boards in hawaii for the photoshoots.




Interesting! Photoshoot were in April/May, but they were releasing the board in January back then.?

I'm not saying the production board were not good, but it is really possible that you were using a custom painted as a evo and that would be find, they still do it now with many brands. Could be a prototype that would be used for the official version as well. If shape and dimension were similar, why not?


100% production.



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