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Water starts on JP 10'2 fusion?

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Created by Miamidan > 9 months ago, 3 Apr 2020
Miamidan
QLD, 1 posts
3 Apr 2020 10:37PM
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Hi crew,

Dans my name and I'm new here.
Been surfing for over 20 years and keen to master water starts and wave riding in small waves in the next year to two. Have a 5.5 jp wave sail and 10'2 fusion wave sup which I can gybe fine on in low winds, however water starts are another issue. I can get the wind under the sail however the board just doesn't allow me to place my feet on the deck to sink it. Am I making it too hard for myself to learn to water start on such a long and big board or is there a way around this without spending 1-2k on a new board and perhaps rig?
I generally go out around 15 knots.
Ultimately I will buy a board that I can wave ride and free ride.Regards,
Dan

Basher
531 posts
3 Apr 2020 11:17PM
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Hi. When water starting you don't need to sink a board to get on it. You use the lift from the rig to lever yourself out of the water.

Put your back foot on the board first, and that helps you keep the nose of the board pointing a little downwind or to keep the board lying square to the wind. The sail starts in the water upwind of the board and you lift it via the mast to get it over your head, until you can place both hands on the boom, with the sail still almost parallel to the water.
You then lift the rig up with your front hand (the one nearest the mast) to allow more wind under the sail. As you raise the rig the wind should lift you onto the board. But you will need to be using a sail big enough for the wind strength on offer.

No need to do this on a smaller board.
Perhaps check out some water starting videos on YouTube.

LeeD
3939 posts
4 Apr 2020 12:37AM
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15 is light for learning waterstart unless you are very light in weight.
Still, you can. As said, get a foot atop the board where you stand in light wind.
Bend your knee fully, place front foot near mastbase.
Bend both knees fully.
Slowly throw hips upward atop board. Then straighten knees to stand up.
15 wind is no nearly enough to lift you onto the board.

WillyWind
470 posts
4 Apr 2020 1:45AM
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Miamidan said..
Hi crew,

Dans my name and I'm new here.
Been surfing for over 20 years and keen to master water starts and wave riding in small waves in the next year to two. Have a 5.5 jp wave sail and 10'2 fusion wave sup which I can gybe fine on in low winds, however water starts are another issue. I can get the wind under the sail however the board just doesn't allow me to place my feet on the deck to sink it. Am I making it too hard for myself to learn to water start on such a long and big board or is there a way around this without spending 1-2k on a new board and perhaps rig?
I generally go out around 15 knots.
Ultimately I will buy a board that I can wave ride and free ride.Regards,
Dan


Hi there,

The wind strength/sail combo must generate enough power to lift you out of the water. Technique makes the use of that power more efficient and that is why you might see experienced sailors water starting with smaller sails/ lighter wind than you. Watch some YouTube tutorials. try to practice water start on the beach/shore (don't put the fin on the board!) because it will help to to concentrate on harnessing the sail power only (you won't be having balancing issues or concerns about drifting away)

as soon as you can make one in the water, the rest will come much easier and water start is a game changer!
I remember when I was learning how to water start I could not do it with my mistral equipe (380 cm ish longboard). A friend lent me his freeride 130 and the first try was a success. I tried a handful of times on his board and when I went back to my longboard I had no issues to waterstart. This was my story but the truth is that gazillion of people learnt on what they had.
when learning to waterstart good sail power is your friend.

LeeD
3939 posts
4 Apr 2020 2:30AM
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If you fly the sail and lack sufficient lift, grab the mast halfway down to the mast base. That ensures your knees are fully bent.
Then grab the foot of the sail below the clew.
Still not enough? Put both feet on windward rail...your heels of course. Sink windward rail. This helps prevent the board from drifting downwind.
Some sailors even sink the leeward rail, driving the board deeper into the water, and sit on the windward rail as the board rolls over.
Or uphaul in just too light breeze.

Carantoc
WA, 6322 posts
4 Apr 2020 7:44AM
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Beachstart in knee deep water,
then beachstart in waist deep water,
then beachstart in chest deep water,
then beach start in chin deep water,
then do it again,
and Again,
you can now waterstart.

LeeD
3939 posts
4 Apr 2020 7:58AM
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Good one!
I posted that on Iwindsurf years ago.
Still valid if you have a beach.

remery
WA, 1885 posts
4 Apr 2020 9:55PM
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"feet", makes it sound like you are laying on your back with both feet on the the board hoping that Huey will lift you up. That's the never gonna work. Put one foot on the back of the board and pull it under you. Use the other leg to thrash around for a bit of lift and to scare the sharks off.

RocketBen
QLD, 27 posts
5 Apr 2020 8:47PM
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Hi Dan
All good points above, especially about beach starting and then getting deeper. I live on the Gold Coast where you have to get pretty good at light wind water starting (been sailing since around 1985). I also have several SUP's from 7'6" to 12'6" which I have sailed. I found it very tricky to water start my 9'6" Fanatic in light winds on the few occasions I have sailed it. I cannot explain why other than it is hard to get your feet on top and then drag the board in. Whatever the reason, if I found it hard after 30 years of sailing I suggest the Fusion and a 5.5 m sail is not an easy starting point unless you have a lot of wind. Then you do not want to be on a SUP as the ones I have sailed hate getting on the plane when you are not on a wave.

LeeD
3939 posts
6 Apr 2020 12:35AM
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My 9'6" Fly is much easier to waterstart when I installed a 9.5" wave fin instead of using the flex plastic 8.5" middle fin.
Sidebites are tiny, and don't do much.

hoop
1979 posts
6 Apr 2020 7:51PM
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^^ No one cares. You are an idiot. Go away

remery
WA, 1885 posts
6 Apr 2020 9:12PM
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I confused why wave riding a 9'6" is relevant in a waves discussion... but carry on.

LeeD
3939 posts
6 Apr 2020 11:44PM
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RocketBen mentioned his 9'6" SUP waveboard.
Can you understand the title? 10'2" waveboard!
Are Aussies all as intelligent as you two?

remery
WA, 1885 posts
8 Apr 2020 12:06PM
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LeeD said..
RocketBen mentioned his 9'6" SUP waveboard.
Can you understand the title? 10'2" waveboard!
Are Aussies all as intelligent as you two?


I was born in California.

LeeD
3939 posts
10 Apr 2020 1:30AM
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In Aussie speak.....try a bigger fin for more lateral resistance when learning light wind waterstarts, mate.

LeeD
3939 posts
10 Apr 2020 1:39AM
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Remery.
People adopt the culture and customs of the country they move to.
If I moved to Australia, I'd down multiple beers after any activity, hang out in social groups, box with kangaroos, and defend against any possible critisicim of anything remotely Aussie.
But I'm stuck in USA, where we somehow elected Trump, chose to go on multiple military excursions we have no business going to, are mostly obnoxious tourists, and still use feet and inches as a measurement.



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