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Created by kuotadriver > 9 months ago, 24 Jan 2021
kuotadriver
47 posts
24 Jan 2021 3:48PM
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Sailing a Fanatic Freewave 95 today in around 22 knots with a rolling swell with a bit of chop, I had several nosedives. Is it simply a case of moving the mast track back a bit? This is my first short board.

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Mr Milk
NSW, 2868 posts
24 Jan 2021 7:52PM
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You mean submarining when slogging? Or on the plane somehow getting the nose to dive?

EddiePOR72
NSW, 15 posts
24 Jan 2021 8:10PM
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kuotadriver said..
Sailing a Fanatic Freewave 95 today in around 22 knots with a rolling swell with a bit of chop, I had several nosedives. Is it simply a case of moving the mast track back a bit? This is my first short board.

Cheers


That's all I can think of
hope it helps

You are leaning too forward(wrong posture)

not enough experience to sail quick over the chop
specially if overpowered.(try to anticipate the chop and use your legs as suspension)

harness cables might be too short

Harness cables might be too forward in the boom

Sail is to big "Overpowered"

cheers

kuotadriver
47 posts
24 Jan 2021 5:15PM
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Thanks guys. it occurs whilst planing. I'll have a look at those things Eddie.

Subsonic
WA, 2964 posts
24 Jan 2021 6:07PM
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Theres a few things it might be. I'd presume you're all hooked in harness lines and straps.

The mast track position is one part of the puzzle. It can also be an under downhauled sail or stance...

Imax1
QLD, 4527 posts
24 Jan 2021 8:42PM
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Subsonic said..
Theres a few things it might be. I'd presume you're all hooked in harness lines and straps.

The mast track position is one part of the puzzle. It can also be an under downhauled sail or stance...


Or,
95 litres could be a lot too small for a first short board .
like balancing on a basketball.
Please post vids

Gestalt
QLD, 14123 posts
24 Jan 2021 9:43PM
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i think the OP means when broad reaching?????

if so than you need to pick your path through the swell sailing through the troughs. bigger the swell and the more you choose your path.

or.

in short sharp chop you could do what speed sailors do and straighten / brace your front leg more and just barge your way through.

Manuel7
1231 posts
25 Jan 2021 4:32AM
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What year? I agree... had the same issue, see complete details here: windsurfing.lepicture.com/board-tests/

"EDIT: With the mast foot set at 126cm (beyond this my two-bolt plate will be off the track) the board felt a touch better but still pearled in small chop. Maybe a smaller central fin would help lift the nose up? I noticed that the earlier version had its track farther back 2cms looking at the distance to the first front strap screw line."

kuotadriver
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25 Jan 2021 5:14AM
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What year? I agree... had the same issue, see complete details here: windsurfing.lepicture.com/board-tests/

"EDIT: With the mast foot set at 126cm (beyond this my two-bolt plate will be off the track) the board felt a touch better but still pearled in small chop. Maybe a smaller central fin would help lift the nose up? I noticed that the earlier version had its track farther back 2cms looking at the distance to the first front strap screw line."


Hi Manuel,
2020

Gestalt
QLD, 14123 posts
25 Jan 2021 7:51AM
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Manuel7 said..
What year? I agree... had the same issue, see complete details here: windsurfing.lepicture.com/board-tests/

"EDIT: With the mast foot set at 126cm (beyond this my two-bolt plate will be off the track) the board felt a touch better but still pearled in small chop. Maybe a smaller central fin would help lift the nose up? I noticed that the earlier version had its track farther back 2cms looking at the distance to the first front strap screw line."


Couldnt find your review. Do you have another link

Manuel7
1231 posts
25 Jan 2021 11:17AM
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Gestalt said..

Manuel7 said..
What year? I agree... had the same issue, see complete details here: windsurfing.lepicture.com/board-tests/

"EDIT: With the mast foot set at 126cm (beyond this my two-bolt plate will be off the track) the board felt a touch better but still pearled in small chop. Maybe a smaller central fin would help lift the nose up? I noticed that the earlier version had its track farther back 2cms looking at the distance to the first front strap screw line."



Couldnt find your review. Do you have another link


Weird? This is for the Fanatic Freewave 2020 where I had no issues:
windsurfing.lepicture.com/board-tests/#2020-Fanatic-Freewave

This is for the Fanatic Freewave 2014 "Classic"
windsurfing.lepicture.com/board-tests/#2014-Fanatic-Freewave

And the Fanatic Freewave STB (Stubby)
windsurfing.lepicture.com/board-tests/#2017-Fanatic-Freewave-STB

Only in the 2014 did I run into the nose ploughing issue. Both the STB and 2020 were magic carpet like over chop.

What sail size and rider weight?
How about fin settings?

kuotadriver
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25 Jan 2021 11:38AM
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Manuel7 said..

Gestalt said..


Manuel7 said..
What year? I agree... had the same issue, see complete details here: windsurfing.lepicture.com/board-tests/

"EDIT: With the mast foot set at 126cm (beyond this my two-bolt plate will be off the track) the board felt a touch better but still pearled in small chop. Maybe a smaller central fin would help lift the nose up? I noticed that the earlier version had its track farther back 2cms looking at the distance to the first front strap screw line."




Couldnt find your review. Do you have another link



Weird? This is for the Fanatic Freewave 2020 where I had no issues:
windsurfing.lepicture.com/board-tests/#2020-Fanatic-Freewave

This is for the Fanatic Freewave 2014 "Classic"
windsurfing.lepicture.com/board-tests/#2014-Fanatic-Freewave

And the Fanatic Freewave STB (Stubby)
windsurfing.lepicture.com/board-tests/#2017-Fanatic-Freewave-STB

Only in the 2014 did I run into the nose ploughing issue. Both the STB and 2020 were magic carpet like over chop.

What sail size and rider weight?
How about fin settings?


Haha, your review was one of the reasons I bought it

After reading some of the answers here, I'm pretty sure I had my mast base too far forward and also need to have a look at my stance and harness line position. What sort of base setting do you use?

I'm 85kg and running the stock single 28 fin. Mostly use a 5.0 or 4.5.

Thanks

Manuel7
1231 posts
25 Jan 2021 11:57AM
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I placed the mast base right on 122cm, a touch closer to 120 than 125 looking at the board's marking.
Remember where you had yours? You will weigh the back more and will have more wind for equivalent sail size than me so it makes sense to have it a touch more forward but still.

You have the straps spread full wide?

28 is HUGE to me for 5.0 and a fortiori 4.5. The board isn't that wide. I'd go with 24 maybe 25 if you feel more comfortable.
Have other fins?

It may take a couple of sessions to get comfy with it too, I don't want you to overthink it!
It's a fine board :)

decrepit
WA, 11829 posts
25 Jan 2021 1:04PM
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yep too big fin could be the problem, depends where the centre of gravity is. If the fin is behind it, any vertical lift from the fin will push the nose down. And of course any downward force from the sail is part of the equation.



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