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Seeking an Arends 33 type boat with longer V berth

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Created by EastCoastSail > 9 months ago, 20 Jan 2022
EastCoastSail
141 posts
20 Jan 2022 5:34AM
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What sailboat is like an Arends but has a bigger double berth?

We have been looking for a replacement for our current boat to deal with a growing family and we liked the Arends 33 a lot but the short and pointed V berth wouldn't fit comfortably a 6ft couple.

We are looking for something like an Arends with:
-standing room at the galley for 6ft'r
-berth that can fit a 6ft couple
-quarter berth or similar for child
-shoal draft to allow access over the bars down the SNSW coast, prefer 1.4m or less
-has ability to deal with snotty weather
-Able to be single-handed, tiller preferred
-Preference is for non bolt on keel, ability to be lightly grounded on a bar without causing damage
- Can be a centreboarder if stability is adequate
-up to approx $60k

Any suggestions what to look for?

Ramona
NSW, 7400 posts
20 Jan 2022 9:01AM
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Such a shallow draft is going to be hard to find without going to a centreboard yacht and I don't think I could do that. Perhaps a cruising cat might be the answer. 6-foot draft is OK on the South Coast as far as I can see. For the sort of boat you're looking at I think one of the American cruisers that pop up occasionally is what you're looking for. This is an example yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/morgan-west-indies-38-centre-cockpit/271329

EastCoastSail
141 posts
20 Jan 2022 7:14AM
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I should explain the draft requirement. Currently have 25ft'r with bulb on fin daggerboard. 0.7m up, 2m down.
We live 2hrs from the coast, having a low draft allows us to go down for the weekend (Batemans Bay) and go over the bar on a falling or even low tide. We want to be able to keep the ability to not be effected by the tide too much.
Watching the 1.7m yachts anchor outside of the bar waiting for the turn of the tide is limiting when we have short windows of opportunity.

Thanks for the link, will do some research on how they sail. I have difficult requirements, I don't really want a beach ball that can't got to weather.

Chris 249
NSW, 3215 posts
20 Jan 2022 10:26AM
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That's a hard one - Australia basically didn't build shoal-draft offshore boats. There's pretty much only the Austral 30, Noelex 30, B30, RL34, some Adams and Arends, aren't there? I understand the issue; we were on the South Coast with 4'8" draft and then switched to 6'2" and it did limit our cruising from BB. Can you knock out the Arend's "linen cupboard" and extend the vee berth to that area? What about lifting the vee berth and extending it into the anchor locker?

For what it's worth, being old enough to have started offshore racing in the '70s and having a tragically retentive memory for such things, I don't know of a single boat with a bolt-on keel losing it before about 1988, when elliptical keels arrived and boats like Planet X and Drum started to drop them, unless you count boats like the Db1 Luv that surfed onto the bricks at Falmouth (UK) and somersaulted about 1983, and that's an impact that probably nothing would have survived. The "modern" boats that lose keels are very different from the older ones that didn't.

From about 1876, when the first boats with all-external ballast arrived like Watson's Five Tonner Vril, until about 1960 just about every keel was bolted on, and losses were basically (perhaps entirely) unknown. Boats like the S&S 34, Miura 31 (apparently a claimant to the design with most circumnavigations), most Swansons, all (?) Swans, etc etc etc were built with bolt-on keels and they don't drop them.

There's quite a few horror stories about encapsulated keels, and doing a proper repair after a grounding that has scarred or holed the glass on the bottom doesn't sound like an easy job.

EDIT - If you're moving from a 25' TY with a bulb it sounds like you're used to something fairly sporty. I can't recall the headroom in a Noelex 30 but they are a great boat that would handle the south coast pretty happily. At the other extreme I used to know a guy about 6' who had an Adams 13.

EastCoastSail
141 posts
20 Jan 2022 9:10AM
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Yes currently have an Elliott with a prodder for the last 5 yrs, any of the boats being considered will loose the dinghy feel. But the Elliott is too light for some of the conditions we experienced and too small for my family. We are both over being hunched over the galley whilst cooking. Surprisingly to us the Elliott's V berth is bigger than any of the 30 ft'r we have sampled so far.

I used to have a folding Tri as a previous boat, don't really want to go multihulls again unless I have deeper pockets for 35ft plus.

We have looked at a Bene 310 with winged shoal keel of 1.2m? But I don't think I could live with it and it didn't have headroom in the cabin.

On paper a Tartan CB seems to fit but I haven't seen one and in Australia they would be out of our budget.

I like the idea of an Adams 13 or 11 with CB but I was told they didn't have standing headroom for 6ft?

Jethrow
NSW, 1224 posts
20 Jan 2022 7:41PM
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I like the idea of an Adams 13 or 11 with CB but I was told they didn't have standing headroom for 6ft?


Bit of a aside. I did work experience with Joe Adams when I was in Year 10, and they were having a great laugh one morning tea.

Apparently a new yachting journo was interviewing Joe and asked him about his boats not having standing headroom...

"What do you mean they don't have standing headroom?" he says. (He was about 5' tall)!

stonny
NSW, 99 posts
21 Jan 2022 10:18AM
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The Catalina 30 is a tardis inside, decent looking lines, shallow fin keel, great cockpit and I'm sure she would handle nasty weather well enough if not over canvassed. Another great thing is that access to the inboard engine is superb. My mate has one of thse boats and although I've never sailed it, it's hard not to be impressed. Way better accommodation than my Cavalier 975.....although in a real blow, I'd rather be in the Cav.

r13
NSW, 1427 posts
21 Jan 2022 12:23PM
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This one has sold but draft is 1.5m and so very close to your criteria 1.4.

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/catalina-30/266509

Chris 249
NSW, 3215 posts
21 Jan 2022 2:05PM
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If things had been a bit different and the perfect 36 for us hadn't come up, we may have moved to a Noelex 30 for BB/south coast sailing. It's a great area but the limited shelter means that being able to go really shoal draft would have allowed us to sneak into many anchorages that even 4'2" is too deep for, and when the bar is getting shallow even 4'2" will limit you at times. BB can also have dramatic geographic changes in windstrength over a short distance and we loved our short overlap fractional rig for that.

Chris 249
NSW, 3215 posts
21 Jan 2022 2:07PM
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Jethrow said..

I like the idea of an Adams 13 or 11 with CB but I was told they didn't have standing headroom for 6ft?



Bit of a aside. I did work experience with Joe Adams when I was in Year 10, and they were having a great laugh one morning tea.

Apparently a new yachting journo was interviewing Joe and asked him about his boats not having standing headroom...

"What do you mean they don't have standing headroom?" he says. (He was about 5' tall)!


He was the opposite of lanky Lach (Crowther) who never designed a boat he could stand in!

Headroom and airliners are where we short arses get our revenge for all those times we couldn't see the stage at gigs because of tall people.

EastCoastSail
141 posts
21 Jan 2022 2:33PM
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Thanks for the info and the Catalina 30 looks good. I did notice the SEQLD Adams 11.9 CB just dropped its advertised price by over 30%. Bugger the cabin isn't higher.

But I have been given a few other options to chase up.

Ramona
NSW, 7400 posts
21 Jan 2022 5:45PM
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EastCoastSail said..
I should explain the draft requirement. Currently have 25ft'r with bulb on fin daggerboard. 0.7m up, 2m down.
We live 2hrs from the coast, having a low draft allows us to go down for the weekend (Batemans Bay) and go over the bar on a falling or even low tide. We want to be able to keep the ability to not be effected by the tide too much.
Watching the 1.7m yachts anchor outside of the bar waiting for the turn of the tide is limiting when we have short windows of opportunity.

Thanks for the link, will do some research on how they sail. I have difficult requirements, I don't really want a beach ball that can't got to weather.


The obvious answer is to change your homeport and buy a 34 to 36 footer with 1.8m draft. Two hours from Batemans Bay sounds like Canberra. Plenty of boats in Jervis Bay and Greenwell Point owned by Canberra people.

EastCoastSail
141 posts
21 Jan 2022 7:08PM
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Jervis Bay is great and I have spent several sailing weeks there.
However BB has its own attractions N and S. Hopefully I will be at anchor to the lee of Broulee Is tomorrow night.

I reakon the obvious answer is gain a windfall and buy a French aluminium centreboard Garcia

EastCoastSail
141 posts
22 Jan 2022 2:41PM
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Thanks for the help. Got a good lead via PM, talked to the owner today, given photos and inspect next month.



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