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Yes good all rounders. Not that Gosford are running the 1/4 and 1/2 ton regatta as per here;
www.aussietonyachts.com.au/news/
I'm tempted.... Eligible yachts are listed here: www.aussietonyachts.com.au/yachts/
Ramona?
Select to expand quotesydchris said..r13 said..
Yes good all rounders. Not that Gosford are running the 1/4 and 1/2 ton regatta as per here;
www.aussietonyachts.com.au/news/
I'm tempted.... Eligible yachts are listed here: www.aussietonyachts.com.au/yachts/
Ramona?
Cripes there's some smokies on that list which are absolutely not 1/2 tonners. The Peterson SP30 was never designed to the IOR rule as anything, and used to flog all 1/2 and most 3/4 tonners............likewise the Traditional 30, Clansman, Cav30, Hick 30 and Noelex 30 were never designed to the IOR rule. I recall reading the notice of race a while back and think it mentioned something like "1/2 tonners and other boats around 30 foot" or similar. So great to be inclusive and potentially get a good sized fleet but if SP30s and Hick30s turn up and are not suitably handicapped, everyone else might as well not start.
Ok I just see that they have a "Contemporary Class" - so these designs should go in this. Ideally the list of yachts would have this Contemporary Class separate and these designs listed in it, not in the 1/2 ton list. Not trying to be pedantic just fair.
Select to expand quotesydchris said..r13 said..
Yes good all rounders. Not that Gosford are running the 1/4 and 1/2 ton regatta as per here;
www.aussietonyachts.com.au/news/
I'm tempted.... Eligible yachts are listed here: www.aussietonyachts.com.au/yachts/
Ramona?
I'll be on the West coast of SA then. The eligible yachts listing is interesting! If your planning on being competitive you would need to turn up with one of the later 1/2 tonners, Farr or a Whiting.
Yeah the Spencer 28 is a bit like a Black Soo but it is way beamier and a tad more headroom I expect............the Black Soo was designed in the late 50's as per the links below and were an incredible boat for their time - bulb cast iron deep draft keel etc and went like fertiliser off a shovel reaching and running - also could hold their own upwind. I bought one in the early 80s from Pittwater which was grp and end grain balsa sandwich - top boat and obviously with that laminate very stiff as regards panel hull and topsides as well as overall bending, but I had to fix the osmosis issues with epoxy treatment - added a cabin lift top to give it headroom..........am sure this boat is still around sailing somewhere it was as strong as including aluminium toerail......, and for sure there must be many others still sailing -
www.classicboat.co.uk/articles/great-yacht-designs-8-black-soo/
www.boatdesign.net/threads/historical-monohulls.47310/page-3
My first yacht was a Javelin from John Spencer's pen. My second yacht was a 24ft Spencer Adrian.
His other 24 ft designs were the Tom Thumb and the Stiletto all of which had the same principal dimensions i.e.,length, breadth and draught.
My Adrian was an upgraded design with mast head rig, extra keel ballast and transom hung spade rudder. Kahlua was her name and she was as slippery through the water as the liquor of the same name going down your throat.
The Serendipity looks to be very much an extended length Stiletto.
As with most yachts John Frearson advertises, this one needs TLC (terrible lot of cash).
Be that as it may, he has quite a unique business model and no doubt his service is appreciated by Maritime Services and desperate vendors with worthless liabilities.
I went to Sydney to inspect a Cav 28 named Cavort that he had listed for $18,000.
I am glad I went to Lake Macquarie and bought my Lotus 9.2 ready to go for $10,000 more.
Select to expand quoter13 said..sydchris said..r13 said..
Yes good all rounders. Not that Gosford are running the 1/4 and 1/2 ton regatta as per here;
www.aussietonyachts.com.au/news/
I'm tempted.... Eligible yachts are listed here: www.aussietonyachts.com.au/yachts/
Ramona?
Cripes there's some smokies on that list which are absolutely not 1/2 tonners. The Peterson SP30 was never designed to the IOR rule as anything, and used to flog all 1/2 and most 3/4 tonners............likewise the Traditional 30, Clansman, Cav30, Hick 30 and Noelex 30 were never designed to the IOR rule. I recall reading the notice of race a while back and think it mentioned something like "1/2 tonners and other boats around 30 foot" or similar. So great to be inclusive and potentially get a good sized fleet but if SP30s and Hick30s turn up and are not suitably handicapped, everyone else might as well not start.
Ok I just see that they have a "Contemporary Class" - so these designs should go in this. Ideally the list of yachts would have this Contemporary Class separate and these designs listed in it, not in the 1/2 ton list. Not trying to be pedantic just fair.
You're right, some of those boats (Hick, Noelex, Cav 30, Dunc 30) were never halves and would make it useless for real halves to enter. The Noelex 30 actually rated over the old One Ton limit, at around 28.4 IOR! In the past there have been several occasions where they have let faster boats like the Noelex and SP into such classes, and all that happens is that the slower real half tonners drop out of THEIR class.
However, while the Clansman was not designed to the IOR, one of them (Ivan Irving's Talisman, perhaps) was actually the first Australian boat to be rated as a Half Tonner. The class was established under the RORC rule and boats like mine, the Arpege and Scampi Mk 1 were designed as halves under that rule, while older boats like the Clansman rated low enough to fit into the class. There was also one Traditional 30 racing with the CYCA eons ago that rated 1/2 ton, probably more by coincidence than intention.
Thanks Chris, would never have imagined that the Noelex 30 would have rated over the old One Ton Limit.........against Farr 40s like Pacific Sundance...............guess that was the reason for the start of the demise of the IOR rule................to the IRC..............and whatever it is now..........
rbsailing.blogspot.com/2013/04/pacific-sundance-farr-one-tonner.html
Just wanted to post this link to Pacific Sundance which was such a brilliant boat...........
Select to expand quoter13 said..
Yeah the Spencer 28 is a bit like a Black Soo but it is way beamier and a tad more headroom I expect............the Black Soo was designed in the late 50's as per the links below and were an incredible boat for their time - bulb cast iron deep draft keel etc and went like fertiliser off a shovel reaching and running - also could hold their own upwind. I bought one in the early 80s from Pittwater which was grp and end grain balsa sandwich - top boat and obviously with that laminate very stiff as regards panel hull and topsides as well as overall bending, but I had to fix the osmosis issues with epoxy treatment - added a cabin lift top to give it headroom..........am sure this boat is still around sailing somewhere it was as strong as including aluminium toerail......, and for sure there must be many others still sailing -
www.classicboat.co.uk/articles/great-yacht-designs-8-black-soo/
www.boatdesign.net/threads/historical-monohulls.47310/page-3
Nicely presented Black Soo design for sale: yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-black-soo-exceptional-pedigree/240526
Select to expand quotesydchris said..r13 said..
Yeah the Spencer 28 is a bit like a Black Soo but it is way beamier and a tad more headroom I expect............the Black Soo was designed in the late 50's as per the links below and were an incredible boat for their time - bulb cast iron deep draft keel etc and went like fertiliser off a shovel reaching and running - also could hold their own upwind. I bought one in the early 80s from Pittwater which was grp and end grain balsa sandwich - top boat and obviously with that laminate very stiff as regards panel hull and topsides as well as overall bending, but I had to fix the osmosis issues with epoxy treatment - added a cabin lift top to give it headroom..........am sure this boat is still around sailing somewhere it was as strong as including aluminium toerail......, and for sure there must be many others still sailing -
www.classicboat.co.uk/articles/great-yacht-designs-8-black-soo/
www.boatdesign.net/threads/historical-monohulls.47310/page-3
Nicely presented Black Soo design for sale: yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-black-soo-exceptional-pedigree/240526
Raced against this one a lot, very quick off the wind, but not so good upwind in a blow, very tender.
Select to expand quoteriverider said..sydchris said..r13 said..
Yeah the Spencer 28 is a bit like a Black Soo but it is way beamier and a tad more headroom I expect............the Black Soo was designed in the late 50's as per the links below and were an incredible boat for their time - bulb cast iron deep draft keel etc and went like fertiliser off a shovel reaching and running - also could hold their own upwind. I bought one in the early 80s from Pittwater which was grp and end grain balsa sandwich - top boat and obviously with that laminate very stiff as regards panel hull and topsides as well as overall bending, but I had to fix the osmosis issues with epoxy treatment - added a cabin lift top to give it headroom..........am sure this boat is still around sailing somewhere it was as strong as including aluminium toerail......, and for sure there must be many others still sailing -
www.classicboat.co.uk/articles/great-yacht-designs-8-black-soo/
www.boatdesign.net/threads/historical-monohulls.47310/page-3
Nicely presented Black Soo design for sale: yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-black-soo-exceptional-pedigree/240526
Raced against this one a lot, very quick off the wind, but not so good upwind in a blow, very tender.
Maybe a tad harsh riverider based on my experience with the boat we had in the 80s.............ok it was in Sydney Harbour not down in Tassie...... I am well aware of the differences after sailing 2 Hobarts in the early 80s.......oysters off the rocks, dogs of leads................we sailed a lot with full main and no3 jib and going upwind in a blow didn't try to point too high or "sail the other side of the wind like Etchells or Solings" and did well based on speed made good to windward.
What about this compass 30?
interior looks a bit rough.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/gladesville/sail-boats/compass-30-yacht/1232778169?utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=ios_VIP&utm_medium=social&utm_source=com.apple.uikit.activity.copytopasteboard
I will see you a Compass 30 and raise you a Nicholson 32.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/airlie-beach/sail-boats/nicholson-32/1232780864
Select to expand quotecisco said..
I will see you a Compass 30 and raise you a Nicholson 32.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/airlie-beach/sail-boats/nicholson-32/1232780864
I looked into this one some time ago, one of the main problems I reckon is the old Volvo md2b engine, anyone had any experience with these engines?, if you had an engine lying around to replace the existing, would be a good buy I think.
Select to expand quoteriverider said..sydchris said..r13 said..
Yeah the Spencer 28 is a bit like a Black Soo but it is way beamier and a tad more headroom I expect............the Black Soo was designed in the late 50's as per the links below and were an incredible boat for their time - bulb cast iron deep draft keel etc and went like fertiliser off a shovel reaching and running - also could hold their own upwind. I bought one in the early 80s from Pittwater which was grp and end grain balsa sandwich - top boat and obviously with that laminate very stiff as regards panel hull and topsides as well as overall bending, but I had to fix the osmosis issues with epoxy treatment - added a cabin lift top to give it headroom..........am sure this boat is still around sailing somewhere it was as strong as including aluminium toerail......, and for sure there must be many others still sailing -
www.classicboat.co.uk/articles/great-yacht-designs-8-black-soo/
www.boatdesign.net/threads/historical-monohulls.47310/page-3
Nicely presented Black Soo design for sale: yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-black-soo-exceptional-pedigree/240526
Raced against this one a lot, very quick off the wind, but not so good upwind in a blow, very tender.
What were you racing on?
I raced against her too in probably the mid-late 90s - about the time my voice was breaking! I remember her being pretty successful (owner had much more success with her than his current ride). She was at a pace between divisions, so often too fast for the rest of her div... equal upwind, and very fast off the wind.
It'd be nice to see her racing again, Volare hasn't been used much under current ownership as far as I know.
Select to expand quoteAll@Sea said..riverider said..sydchris said..r13 said..
Yeah the Spencer 28 is a bit like a Black Soo but it is way beamier and a tad more headroom I expect............the Black Soo was designed in the late 50's as per the links below and were an incredible boat for their time - bulb cast iron deep draft keel etc and went like fertiliser off a shovel reaching and running - also could hold their own upwind. I bought one in the early 80s from Pittwater which was grp and end grain balsa sandwich - top boat and obviously with that laminate very stiff as regards panel hull and topsides as well as overall bending, but I had to fix the osmosis issues with epoxy treatment - added a cabin lift top to give it headroom..........am sure this boat is still around sailing somewhere it was as strong as including aluminium toerail......, and for sure there must be many others still sailing -
www.classicboat.co.uk/articles/great-yacht-designs-8-black-soo/
www.boatdesign.net/threads/historical-monohulls.47310/page-3
Nicely presented Black Soo design for sale: yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-black-soo-exceptional-pedigree/240526
Raced against this one a lot, very quick off the wind, but not so good upwind in a blow, very tender.
What were you racing on?
I raced against her too in probably the mid-late 90s - about the time my voice was breaking! I remember her being pretty successful (owner had much more success with her than his current ride). She was at a pace between divisions, so often too fast for the rest of her div... equal upwind, and very fast off the wind.
It'd be nice to see her racing again, Volare hasn't been used much under current ownership as far as I know.
We had a Swanson 27 Chindrina lll, Robin White owned Volare then, he did sail her very well, just remember laying on her ear in blow a on those days when you get the gusting westerlies and need to carry full gear for the lighter stuff.
Select to expand quoteriverider said..All@Sea said..riverider said..sydchris said..r13 said..
Yeah the Spencer 28 is a bit like a Black Soo but it is way beamier and a tad more headroom I expect............the Black Soo was designed in the late 50's as per the links below and were an incredible boat for their time - bulb cast iron deep draft keel etc and went like fertiliser off a shovel reaching and running - also could hold their own upwind. I bought one in the early 80s from Pittwater which was grp and end grain balsa sandwich - top boat and obviously with that laminate very stiff as regards panel hull and topsides as well as overall bending, but I had to fix the osmosis issues with epoxy treatment - added a cabin lift top to give it headroom..........am sure this boat is still around sailing somewhere it was as strong as including aluminium toerail......, and for sure there must be many others still sailing -
www.classicboat.co.uk/articles/great-yacht-designs-8-black-soo/
www.boatdesign.net/threads/historical-monohulls.47310/page-3
Nicely presented Black Soo design for sale: yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-black-soo-exceptional-pedigree/240526
Raced against this one a lot, very quick off the wind, but not so good upwind in a blow, very tender.
What were you racing on?
I raced against her too in probably the mid-late 90s - about the time my voice was breaking! I remember her being pretty successful (owner had much more success with her than his current ride). She was at a pace between divisions, so often too fast for the rest of her div... equal upwind, and very fast off the wind.
It'd be nice to see her racing again, Volare hasn't been used much under current ownership as far as I know.
We had a Swanson 27 Chindrina lll, Robin White owned Volare then, he did sail her very well, just remember laying on her ear in blow a on those days when you get the gusting westerlies and need to carry full gear for the lighter stuff.
Chindrina 111:) remember her well. Had some great races with her, I was on Quebrada.... Learned a lot about sailing, pushing the boat hard (often probably too hard - the rail under the water isn't fast!). Those days were good, with plenty of boats being raced hard that these days languish on moorings, being considered too slow to race, and too small to cruise - people seem to think they need 40'ers!
Select to expand quoteAll@Sea said..riverider said..All@Sea said..riverider said..sydchris said..r13 said..
Yeah the Spencer 28 is a bit like a Black Soo but it is way beamier and a tad more headroom I expect............the Black Soo was designed in the late 50's as per the links below and were an incredible boat for their time - bulb cast iron deep draft keel etc and went like fertiliser off a shovel reaching and running - also could hold their own upwind. I bought one in the early 80s from Pittwater which was grp and end grain balsa sandwich - top boat and obviously with that laminate very stiff as regards panel hull and topsides as well as overall bending, but I had to fix the osmosis issues with epoxy treatment - added a cabin lift top to give it headroom..........am sure this boat is still around sailing somewhere it was as strong as including aluminium toerail......, and for sure there must be many others still sailing -
www.classicboat.co.uk/articles/great-yacht-designs-8-black-soo/
www.boatdesign.net/threads/historical-monohulls.47310/page-3
Nicely presented Black Soo design for sale: yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-black-soo-exceptional-pedigree/240526
Raced against this one a lot, very quick off the wind, but not so good upwind in a blow, very tender.
What were you racing on?
I raced against her too in probably the mid-late 90s - about the time my voice was breaking! I remember her being pretty successful (owner had much more success with her than his current ride). She was at a pace between divisions, so often too fast for the rest of her div... equal upwind, and very fast off the wind.
It'd be nice to see her racing again, Volare hasn't been used much under current ownership as far as I know.
We had a Swanson 27 Chindrina lll, Robin White owned Volare then, he did sail her very well, just remember laying on her ear in blow a on those days when you get the gusting westerlies and need to carry full gear for the lighter stuff.
Chindrina 111:) remember her well. Had some great races with her, I was on Quebrada.... Learned a lot about sailing, pushing the boat hard (often probably too hard - the rail under the water isn't fast!). Those days were good, with plenty of boats being raced hard that these days languish on moorings, being considered too slow to race, and too small to cruise - people seem to think they need 40'ers!
Hi all@sea
on the subject of needing big boats Jeff speaks of when him and his boys used to race a Triton 24 in the Pipe Opener years ago when they used to race all the way to Port Huon instead of only half way as we do now and when a 40 footer in the Sydney Hobart was considered a big boat
Regards Don
Did the Maria Island race on this boat, a lot of Tassie racing history in her long books!!
Strong as an ox, make a great conversion to long distance cruiser!!
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/radford-14-metre-haphazard/148284
Select to expand quoteDonk107 said..All@Sea said..riverider said..All@Sea said..riverider said..sydchris said..r13 said..
Yeah the Spencer 28 is a bit like a Black Soo but it is way beamier and a tad more headroom I expect............the Black Soo was designed in the late 50's as per the links below and were an incredible boat for their time - bulb cast iron deep draft keel etc and went like fertiliser off a shovel reaching and running - also could hold their own upwind. I bought one in the early 80s from Pittwater which was grp and end grain balsa sandwich - top boat and obviously with that laminate very stiff as regards panel hull and topsides as well as overall bending, but I had to fix the osmosis issues with epoxy treatment - added a cabin lift top to give it headroom..........am sure this boat is still around sailing somewhere it was as strong as including aluminium toerail......, and for sure there must be many others still sailing -
www.classicboat.co.uk/articles/great-yacht-designs-8-black-soo/
www.boatdesign.net/threads/historical-monohulls.47310/page-3
Nicely presented Black Soo design for sale: yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-black-soo-exceptional-pedigree/240526
Raced against this one a lot, very quick off the wind, but not so good upwind in a blow, very tender.
What were you racing on?
I raced against her too in probably the mid-late 90s - about the time my voice was breaking! I remember her being pretty successful (owner had much more success with her than his current ride). She was at a pace between divisions, so often too fast for the rest of her div... equal upwind, and very fast off the wind.
It'd be nice to see her racing again, Volare hasn't been used much under current ownership as far as I know.
We had a Swanson 27 Chindrina lll, Robin White owned Volare then, he did sail her very well, just remember laying on her ear in blow a on those days when you get the gusting westerlies and need to carry full gear for the lighter stuff.
Chindrina 111:) remember her well. Had some great races with her, I was on Quebrada.... Learned a lot about sailing, pushing the boat hard (often probably too hard - the rail under the water isn't fast!). Those days were good, with plenty of boats being raced hard that these days languish on moorings, being considered too slow to race, and too small to cruise - people seem to think they need 40'ers!
Hi all@sea
on the subject of needing big boats Jeff speaks of when him and his boys used to race a Triton 24 in the Pipe Opener years ago when they used to race all the way to Port Huon instead of only half way as we do now and when a 40 footer in the Sydney Hobart was considered a big boat
Regards Don
The owner of Quebrada sailed the Bruny Island race and Isl of Caves on his previous boat - a Cole 23!.... gone are the days!
Select to expand quoteAll@Sea said..riverider said..All@Sea said..riverider said..sydchris said..r13 said..
Yeah the Spencer 28 is a bit like a Black Soo but it is way beamier and a tad more headroom I expect............the Black Soo was designed in the late 50's as per the links below and were an incredible boat for their time - bulb cast iron deep draft keel etc and went like fertiliser off a shovel reaching and running - also could hold their own upwind. I bought one in the early 80s from Pittwater which was grp and end grain balsa sandwich - top boat and obviously with that laminate very stiff as regards panel hull and topsides as well as overall bending, but I had to fix the osmosis issues with epoxy treatment - added a cabin lift top to give it headroom..........am sure this boat is still around sailing somewhere it was as strong as including aluminium toerail......, and for sure there must be many others still sailing -
www.classicboat.co.uk/articles/great-yacht-designs-8-black-soo/
www.boatdesign.net/threads/historical-monohulls.47310/page-3
Nicely presented Black Soo design for sale: yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-black-soo-exceptional-pedigree/240526
Raced against this one a lot, very quick off the wind, but not so good upwind in a blow, very tender.
What were you racing on?
I raced against her too in probably the mid-late 90s - about the time my voice was breaking! I remember her being pretty successful (owner had much more success with her than his current ride). She was at a pace between divisions, so often too fast for the rest of her div... equal upwind, and very fast off the wind.
It'd be nice to see her racing again, Volare hasn't been used much under current ownership as far as I know.
We had a Swanson 27 Chindrina lll, Robin White owned Volare then, he did sail her very well, just remember laying on her ear in blow a on those days when you get the gusting westerlies and need to carry full gear for the lighter stuff.
Chindrina 111:) remember her well. Had some great races with her, I was on Quebrada.... Learned a lot about sailing, pushing the boat hard (often probably too hard - the rail under the water isn't fast!). Those days were good, with plenty of boats being raced hard that these days languish on moorings, being considered too slow to race, and too small to cruise - people seem to think they need 40'ers!
Definitely some great racing between those two and a lot of respect between the old skippers for each other, we were always happy if we could beat "Pud", that was the bench mark.
Crazy how the number of boats have increased in the bay's these days, but the numbers sailing are a shadow of those days.
Yes the typical club racing fleet numbers of the halcyon days are long gone unfortunately - when did they peak? Suggest sometime in the 90s? Some clubs have kept their midweek twilight race fleets up to good numbers but the weekend warrior afternoon fleets have in general depleted badly. So the question is why has this happened, and how can it be reversed? I will post a new topic on this, with the emphasis on the latter actions and solutions not the problems.
An ss34 extended to 36'.
Doesn't look like an ss 34 hull??
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/sparkman-stephens-36/238863
Select to expand quoteriverider said..All@Sea said..riverider said..All@Sea said..riverider said..sydchris said..r13 said..
Yeah the Spencer 28 is a bit like a Black Soo but it is way beamier and a tad more headroom I expect............the Black Soo was designed in the late 50's as per the links below and were an incredible boat for their time - bulb cast iron deep draft keel etc and went like fertiliser off a shovel reaching and running - also could hold their own upwind. I bought one in the early 80s from Pittwater which was grp and end grain balsa sandwich - top boat and obviously with that laminate very stiff as regards panel hull and topsides as well as overall bending, but I had to fix the osmosis issues with epoxy treatment - added a cabin lift top to give it headroom..........am sure this boat is still around sailing somewhere it was as strong as including aluminium toerail......, and for sure there must be many others still sailing -
www.classicboat.co.uk/articles/great-yacht-designs-8-black-soo/
www.boatdesign.net/threads/historical-monohulls.47310/page-3
Nicely presented Black Soo design for sale: yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-black-soo-exceptional-pedigree/240526
Raced against this one a lot, very quick off the wind, but not so good upwind in a blow, very tender.
What were you racing on?
I raced against her too in probably the mid-late 90s - about the time my voice was breaking! I remember her being pretty successful (owner had much more success with her than his current ride). She was at a pace between divisions, so often too fast for the rest of her div... equal upwind, and very fast off the wind.
It'd be nice to see her racing again, Volare hasn't been used much under current ownership as far as I know.
We had a Swanson 27 Chindrina lll, Robin White owned Volare then, he did sail her very well, just remember laying on her ear in blow a on those days when you get the gusting westerlies and need to carry full gear for the lighter stuff.
Chindrina 111:) remember her well. Had some great races with her, I was on Quebrada.... Learned a lot about sailing, pushing the boat hard (often probably too hard - the rail under the water isn't fast!). Those days were good, with plenty of boats being raced hard that these days languish on moorings, being considered too slow to race, and too small to cruise - people seem to think they need 40'ers!
Definitely some great racing between those two and a lot of respect between the old skippers for each other, we were always happy if we could beat "Pud", that was the bench mark.
Crazy how the number of boats have increased in the bay's these days, but the numbers sailing are a shadow of those days.
Yeah, gone are the days... I feel too young to be talking like that, but I'm glad I experienced them. There are several threads on the state of racing world wide over on Sailing Anarchy...
I find this interesting, and looks like very good value for fun shorthanded sailing.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/albany/sail-boats/alien-21ft-trailer-sailer/1230916626
