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Best of the bars...

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Created by shi thouse 24 days ago, 13 May 2020
shi thouse
WA, 915 posts
13 May 2020 11:51AM
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So a recent discussion on Seabreeze got me thinking about my current bar setup (Core bar 2S) and it's shortcomings.

I am now on the hunt for a bar and lines that has high Y capabilities and looking for recommendations for my Core/Duotone kites.

My research so far:
Core 2S - twisty crap safety release. A PITA and unsafe especially when being used on a rope slider. I like the simplicity of the bar and the standard lines seem to be fine. Love the ability of the centre lines to immediately unwind after looping the kite so really like the ceramic bearing setup.

Core 3S - looks like it may have ironed out the above issue but I don't want to be spending close to $1k on bar and lines.

Duotone Trust - my son uses this setup and I like the bar and the lines, but resetting the chicken loop is a bit of a fiddle by having to pull back the plastic housing to click the loop back in. The other issue is unwinding the centre lines after looping the kite. The bit you have to grab is not particularly easy to hold (limited grip) and it is not a smooth unwinding action and hence tends to stick a bit). Price is fine.

Duotone Click - although I haven't owned this bar, I have used one a fair bit. Seems like there is a few complaints from a previous post about centre line wear. Unwinds automatically after looping.. Don't know much else about it but those that have it tend to really like the click ability of the bar. Personally I rarely ever trim a kite (maybe only a handful of times per season). I do not like trimming a kite much as it always impacts on the flying ability of the kite and I don't like that change. I will fly a kite till it is at its max and then would rather change kites than trim. From this perspective I find the additional cost of buying this bar not worth it. Also has the fiddly reset with the chicken loop, much the same as the Trust. Cost $$$$$$$ - much like the new Core bar.

Switch CX5 - know nothing about it, but the price looks good, has a high Y ability, and chicken loop clicks in (Ozone style). It doesn't seem to have the same instant unwind mechanism of the Core and Duotone Click. Might be heavy??

Anyway, maybe I am chasing too much from a bar but this is the features I'm looking for:
- price competitive (around the $600 - $700)
-click reset for chicken loop
-push away safety
- high Y capability
- quality lines
- automatic unwind of centre lines
- not too heavy


Any ideas out there??

Gazuki
WA, 1147 posts
13 May 2020 1:04PM
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All jokes aside the 3S pro does look the goods,.. maybe Ive fallen for their marketing again

shi thouse
WA, 915 posts
13 May 2020 1:38PM
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I know right.....ticks all the boxes, just can not justify $900 for the standard bar!!

FormulaNova
NSW, 10873 posts
13 May 2020 9:51PM
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Gazuki said..
All jokes aside the 3S pro does look the goods,.. maybe Ive fallen for their marketing again



Can you upgrade the existing bar like Ozone did with their chicken loop/QR upgrades?

Gazuki
WA, 1147 posts
14 May 2020 4:42AM
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I'm really hoping so.

carbine
WA, 1435 posts
14 May 2020 6:51AM
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Gazuki said..
All jokes aside the 3S pro does look the goods,.. maybe Ive fallen for their marketing again




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shi thouse said..
I know right.....ticks all the boxes, just can not justify $900 for the standard bar!!



Yeah bit of a joke. Looks they copied the Airush smart/core bar that came out in 2014 but then added a german price tag. I'm sure it will be typical core quality and be falling apart before the season is over.

CJ2478
NSW, 403 posts
14 May 2020 9:42AM
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wouldnt be surprised if duotone upgrade the trust bar for 2021 to include the click-back-in chicken loop. apprently they are upgrading their lines for 2021. price will probably increase though. its a good bar, can usually pick them up for <$500.
The untwist mechanism certainly has nothing on the core one, i just make sure i try to loop kite both ways and never bother untwisting. the centre lines beneath the split just twist up and hasnt caused me any problems yet, but unsure about how the QR will work if those lines are all twisted. if you could just retrofit the ceramic untwist it would be a great bit of gear

weebitbreezy
461 posts
14 May 2020 7:45PM
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The downside of the auto untwist is more time to rig up. With my click bar I have to make sure I run out all 4 lines. I just need to do the steering lines with my other bar as I can untwist the centre lines as I'm riding.

It sounds a trivial thing but it really bugs you the day you get a twist in the lines and can't fix it.

omg
144 posts
15 May 2020 2:01PM
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I have among other bars Core Sensor 2 Pro, and otherwise it would be perfect, BUT I really don't dig the flag out system; how the front lines go when released. If the s hits the fan, you really want the setup to flag out on one line. With their system, there will be some pull for both front lines, especially so if you use kites with longer bridles, or bigger sized kites, so this bar isn't truly universal. I guess for the model 3 this is still the same, unfortunately, with the price tag :)

saffe
VIC, 7 posts
25 May 2020 5:54PM
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I have honestly never ever had an issue with my CORE bars except for the velcro for the depower falling off and other small annoying things like the pro bar being black and white and occasionally during rotations or loops or whatever you pull the wrong side cause it takes you more then 1ms to figure out which side is right and left. I really wish they just kept the pro bar yellow and white as well. got a 2s+ as a spare bar and been using it lately as I sold some of my old quiver with the new nexus and so much easier to tell in that insta moment. In regards to the safety Im so used to the twist that it's natural to me but I guess I can see why people complain about it if they are not used to it.But in nuking winds the twist is a lot easier to release then the push in my opinion. but a univeral setup I guess is a win for everyone used to push. I guess I just have to get used to it as well.

same thing with it flagging out, used it in everything from 15 to 60 knots. (caught in a proper squall)
Never had any issues with it.

Looking forward to my new sensor 3 pro to arrive though.

Kamikuza
QLD, 5202 posts
25 May 2020 9:04PM
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weebitbreezy said..
The downside of the auto untwist is more time to rig up. With my click bar I have to make sure I run out all 4 lines. I just need to do the steering lines with my other bar as I can untwist the centre lines as I'm riding.

It sounds a trivial thing but it really bugs you the day you get a twist in the lines and can't fix it.


When you pack up, lark's head the steering line to the center line on that side. When you walk them out, they self-sort.



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