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Light wind Ram/foil Kite

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Created by FoS 1 month ago, 20 Jun 2019
FoS
TAS, 1618 posts
20 Jun 2019 1:28PM
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Hay all
I'm thinking I need a 15m ish Ram air kite for the 10 knot days in hobart.
I'm getting a bit toey- I haven't kited for a few weeks now because of light winds and tasmanian winter conditions.

Can someone suggest a good kite - I'm not looking at racing just getting out, maybe some jumps?
Or are race kites in this size OK for goofing around and not to technical ?

Thanks in advance

ActionSportsWA
WA, 697 posts
21 Jun 2019 10:03AM
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Hi FoS,

You need a Flysurfer Soul. If you get yourself a 15m or even an 18m, you will be a very happy camper. Loads of power, excellent upwind ability, floaty jumps, simple relaunch in anything over 6 knots and super stable and durable. Anyone can fly one of these kites without too much difficulty.

They're also lightweight for traveling and super fast to launch and land and you can leave the pump at home. If you google Flysurfer Soul, there are tonnes of glowing review videos and how to's.

actionsportswa.com.au/product/flysurfer-soul/

You can use a race kite, but they are more technical, less stable and very fragile, not ideal for freerideing on a TT. Only use a race kite for racing on foils.

DM

FoS
TAS, 1618 posts
21 Jun 2019 12:07PM
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ActionSportsWA said..
Hi FoS,

You need a Flysurfer Soul. If you get yourself a 15m or even an 18m, you will be a very happy camper. Loads of power, excellent upwind ability, floaty jumps, simple relaunch in anything over 6 knots and super stable and durable. Anyone can fly one of these kites without too much difficulty.

They're also lightweight for traveling and super fast to launch and land and you can leave the pump at home. If you google Flysurfer Soul, there are tonnes of glowing review videos and how to's.

actionsportswa.com.au/product/flysurfer-soul/

You can use a race kite, but they are more technical, less stable and very fragile, not ideal for freerideing on a TT. Only use a race kite for racing on foils.

DM



Cool,
I'm coming over in November for a few weeks, do you have a demo or similar?
Maybe at the kite fest in dongara ?

Also your ssl cert is not valid on your website, let me know if you need a hand with that.
ignore that just stupid work proxy

causehecan
QLD, 542 posts
24 Jun 2019 4:53PM
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Got any videos of the soul being kitelooped both hooked in and unhooked? Preferably a larger size one 15m

weebitbreezy
400 posts
24 Jun 2019 8:55PM
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causehecan said..
Got any videos of the soul being kitelooped both hooked in and unhooked? Preferably a larger size one 15m


There were some on olly Bridges facebook page. You'll have to search for the big sizes though.

Tom Bridge had some footage of his brother Guy doing handlepasses on a hydrofoil recently too (pretty sure that was on a big foil kite)

ActionSportsWA
WA, 697 posts
31 Jul 2019 4:15PM
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Hi FoS,

Yes, we will have the Souls at WIndfest.

DM

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 768 posts
8 Aug 2019 1:11PM
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Souls are way over priced. In fact most foil kites are way over priced. I know I will get spat on, yet again, but you want a good and I mean good foil kite? Try the Pansh Aurora II 15 or 18m sizes. Lots of videos of happy riders on these Pansh kites, well because they work. What do I know, right?

Gorgo
VIC, 4246 posts
8 Aug 2019 3:25PM
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Can you tell us anything positive about the Pansh Aurora? I am happy to believe that they might be good but at the moment I am suspicious.

I've seen two people with them and they both spend more time on the beach tweaking bridles to try and get the kites to fly. I suspect they bought them cheap second hand, but that's not very inspiring.

The web site sucks. It says lots but none of it is particularly meaningful. The purchase process feels more like a phishing site than an actual shop.

They call it a high aspect, high performance kite. There's no proper technical data but 31 cells and 4-5:1 aspect doesn't sound very high performance to me. The Soul and Chrono have 41 cells. Soul is 35 cells and 5:1AR in the small sizes and 42 cells and 5.5AR rising to 6:1 in the larger sizes. That at least tells you that Ozone and Flysurfer didn't just scale a single kite to make all the sizes (not that scaling is necessarily a bad thing).

The review videos are all of old kooks mowing the lawn. Even then they make some of the transitions look like hard work. No tacks. No flying gybes. Old French dudes doing shakas.

The one positive review I saw had the guy re-tweaking the bridle to get it to fly properly. It all sounds a bit half-arsed.

They talk about double cells on the "ending edge" as something revolutionary. The rest of the industry calls them mini-ribs and they've been around for years. Mini-ribs are starting to be added to the leading edge and the results have been encouraging. They give super clean leading edges and effective cell counts up around 80 cells without the cost, weight and complexity.

There's no mention of internal rib structures that all the name brands use. These structures greatly improve canopy stiffness without adding more bridle lines.






I am skeptical that the magnetic blow out valves would have any useful effect. Foil kites blow cells because of a shockwave travelling through the canopy. It's a not a pressure build up that has to be released. Often the tear is in the internal ribs through the crossport vents (more reason to have more optimised internal structures). Release valves were tried years ago and didn't work.

causehecan
QLD, 542 posts
9 Aug 2019 1:21PM
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Sorry lofty but i second everything gorgo just said.

And im pretty sure any other jellyfish will aswell. You really need to look into what a high end paragliders tech sheet looks like to see what were not seeing in the pansh kites.

www.xcontest.org/world/en/flights/detail:chrigel/2.6.2019/07:06




www.advance.ch/en/omega-xalps/

Theyre is quite a difference happening when i go to check out pansh. No world titles or champions no gloss or spit and polish.

But if i go and sus out ozone and flysurfer (ala ozone and skywalk) you do see a fair bit of that gloss come thru and some better numbers.

And for me its not just about the product and costs. When i drop a few thousand on a kite or a wing i really think about who directly is going to recieve my money ? Have i had beers with them? Have i caused them to be thrown out of a casino/restaurant/bar/pool hall/resort cause of my drunken behaviour did they give me some shirts.


but also in the brand itself. Are they spending money into the fields i believe the sport should be excelling at? Or are they just in it for a safe bet not researching or developing? They may have a great product but if theyre not pushing the boundarys of my specific style im simply not as likely going to see a future product that will blow my mind and make me happier.

If all i wanted to do was mow the lawn and throw up a shaka on the weekend to my fellow grey nomadians then yea a pansh might do me fine but so could a zian (have you heard the gossip on them lately?)

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 768 posts
Sunday , 11 Aug 2019 12:48PM
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You are both perfectly correct.
I admit the FS Ozones etc are far better made kites, and have much more technical advances than a Pansh. They are well suited for intermediate to professional riders that get what they've paid for - a kite that is specifically designed for their style and discipline of wind powered sports.
However, for the beginner, the mums and dads that are not cash laden, are mowers of the lawn, with the occasional jump or simple turns, PANSH kites are far better value for money.
You get what you pay for in life. I completely understand that. But at the prices the "professional" kites are made for, yes they are worth every dollar. For someone like myself that is time poor, runs several businesses and raising a family, I am more than happy with my Pansh selection. They work! They had a **** reputation back 8 years ago but things have improved, and I bet my Aurora II that until any of you try it, don't bag it. Yes, I have tried the soul, but for me as per the above lifestyle, it's really much of a muchness.
At the end of the day I am stoked to have ridden out there, had good upwind and less hassles with the gear than worrying I would crash a Soul and blow it apart.
Frankly, I've had zero problems with the Pansh kites, and more issues with the bar and lines - non Pansh bar and lines.
Time for me to upgrade the control panels.

causehecan
QLD, 542 posts
Sunday , 11 Aug 2019 3:44PM
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Id thought you would be all over the gin maraubos lofty those things look awesome insane window pack down to nothing and the price?!? Closest dealers in japan so might be worth flicking them an email wink wink nudge nudge

Id do it myself but i have a rather silly summer ahead of me and need all my coins and time for a mini wing and possibly a tandem wing at end of summer if i pull my finger out and get my **** together.

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 768 posts
Tuesday , 13 Aug 2019 3:58PM
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causehecan said..
Id thought you would be all over the gin maraubos lofty those things look awesome insane window pack down to nothing and the price?!? Closest dealers in japan so might be worth flicking them an email wink wink nudge nudge

Id do it myself but i have a rather silly summer ahead of me and need all my coins and time for a mini wing and possibly a tandem wing at end of summer if i pull my finger out and get my **** together.


"gin maraubos"? What is this fantastic product you speak of?

Gorgo
VIC, 4246 posts
Tuesday , 13 Aug 2019 4:18PM
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Single skin kite with a valved ram air leading edge tube. ie. relaunchable.

www.ginkites.com/shop/marabou/

balsa
VIC, 27 posts
Friday , 16 Aug 2019 8:00PM
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NorthernKitesAUS said..
Souls are way over priced. In fact most foil kites are way over priced. I know I will get spat on, yet again, but you want a good and I mean good foil kite? Try the Pansh Aurora II 15 or 18m sizes. Lots of videos of happy riders on these Pansh kites, well because they work. What do I know, right?


Thanks for posting your experience with Pansh kites. I have always wanted a foil kite but considered them too expensive for me until I went to the Pansh website. I did a bit of checking of reviews and all seem very positive on the more recent models. So thanks again for posting and taking the hits.

Kamikuza
QLD, 4082 posts
Yesterday , 17 Aug 2019 1:10PM
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balsa said..

NorthernKitesAUS said..
Souls are way over priced. In fact most foil kites are way over priced. I know I will get spat on, yet again, but you want a good and I mean good foil kite? Try the Pansh Aurora II 15 or 18m sizes. Lots of videos of happy riders on these Pansh kites, well because they work. What do I know, right?



Thanks for posting your experience with Pansh kites. I have always wanted a foil kite but considered them too expensive for me until I went to the Pansh website. I did a bit of checking of reviews and all seem very positive on the more recent models. So thanks again for posting and taking the hits.


The only people I know who are happy with Pansh kites are incurable fiddler's and utter tight-fists.

You get what you pay for.



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