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Getting most slack possible

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Created by causehecan Two weeks ago, 3 Jul 2019
causehecan
259 posts
3 Jul 2019 7:05PM
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Hi

The vast majority of blind, wrap and pass tricks that require slack always say to have kite at 45.

you usually load and pop then yank your front hand down a bit harder then you do your back hand, but still pulling bar into your hip.
at same time the kite goes from 45 to just above water height giving you slack. How agressive are you guys yanking with your front hand? Do you have back hand center bar front at very edge of bar?

Im haveing a hard time getting it done properly. If i have the kite below 45 and steer it down i seem to get less slack. The kite has less distance to stall so shouldnt i be getting more slack and more height if my kites above 45? Greater stall time?

But then my **** seems to be a bit lunch looking. Seems to stay high and makes passing bar impossible.

Just wondering exactly what kite angle you guys are using for all your blinds wraps and pass tricks.

Also how much are you rideing downwind before unhooking and loading up?

Are you going directly down wind then having a bit of a progressive edge then loading and releaseing or are you more or less just rideing across wind (not upwind) and doing it all in one? Its difficult to see exactly what angle the tutorial videos are doing in comparison to the wind direction.

These are a couple issues i am unsure of tho i feel theyre maybe something more im simply not aware of.

Did anyone have a progression that wasnt do everything to blind then everything to wrapped then start air passing?

i was landing some passes years ago without following a slow progression. but im happily going back to basics and want to learn properly with correct form this time round.

Would also like to hear any little realisation moments you had when learning handlepasses
Thank you

Gilly3
QLD, 733 posts
5 Jul 2019 7:31AM
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It has a lot to do with the kite....

have you tried any of those f one kites lately??

causehecan
259 posts
5 Jul 2019 5:42PM
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Ive found these useful but im hoping to hear from peoples personal experiences.

Theres often silly little things that are unique to people. That wont wo covered in videos.

Bit like now when i go for a big jump almost as big as gillys i actually dont have the bar pulled all the way in when steering the kite to 12. I have it about mid way that way im not choking the kite having the bar out actually lets the kite fly fast to edge of the wind window.

Then of course its pull it in and keep it in (remembering to have trimmed kite to not stall with bar all the way in)

So stuff like that gilly would be nice :D say gday to "naish gary"and his best customer lance for me. I almost wish i was there for when that went down. People sail past me on way to port douglas and tell me all about the craziness that is the gc kite scene

But im stuck here on my island in 20 to 30 knots for the winter ill swing by summer with the rest of the grey nomads when we migrate south.

I think i might be able to jump as high as you now.

As for the f one gear if they have a pure c direct connected 5 or 6 line kite with a decent bar ill give it a go

Gilly3
QLD, 733 posts
6 Jul 2019 9:17AM
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Just keep practicing causey, I've seen u put a lot of time and effort in....it pays off

just those pesky jeski's get in the way

can't wait for summer, the more grey nomads and touros equals more chaos....throw in twice as many boats and jeski's

beeeeeewdiful!!!!!

juicerider
WA, 777 posts
6 Jul 2019 11:00AM
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Hey causehecan
what kite are you using?

doonut
WA, 223 posts
6 Jul 2019 11:22AM
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Get a Razor, they drop you out of the sky with slack.
Not sure if it'll help that much though.
Practice practice practice.......

causehecan
259 posts
7 Jul 2019 5:46PM
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juicerider said..
Hey causehecan
what kite are you using?


Chaoses c4s and vegases pretty keen to get my hands on some fuels and torches tho even a airrush razor

juicerider
WA, 777 posts
9 Jul 2019 8:30PM
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causehecan said..

juicerider said..
Hey causehecan
what kite are you using?



Chaoses c4s and vegases pretty keen to get my hands on some fuels and torches tho even a airrush razor


Yeah a pure c kite will slack way more than anything with a bridle.
Im not sure I quite agree with the explanation on that video you posted.
you don't have to move the kite up to help with pop and bringing it down again, this is not what should be giving slack.
so the way a c kite flys is important. A true c responds very quickly to line tension and edging, so that if you edge hard it drives the kite rapidly to the edge of the window where there is less power.
also when you flatten the board out and go downwind the kite will drift back into the power zone.
so the way to get good pop and slack is by taking advantage of these characteristics.
like the video says, you do need to keep the kite less than 45deg, though.
Now when you start a manoeuvre you flatten the board out and unhook, the kite drifts further into the power zone, now edge really hard and rapidly, and the kite will accelerate really quickly and fly faster to the edge of the window and will generate extra lift to aid your pop. The speed and momentum of the kite will keep it flying even further past the edge of the window and it will then totally depower. This is the slack.
So the harder you pop the the faster the kite will move and the more slack you will get, and this is also why it works better on faster flying c kites. Hybrids and bridle kites just don't respond as quick.
Hope this makes some sort of sense to you too.

causehecan
259 posts
10 Jul 2019 10:01AM
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Thanks juicerider i havent actually been visualising the kite slacking at edge of wind window cant wait to give it a go. Ive just been doing everything as i normally would except diving kite down hard for slack without paying much attention to where in the wind window it actually is.

Thanks

VRBones
125 posts
10 Jul 2019 5:55PM
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I'm a novice unhooker, but I'd usually equated slack to the direction of travel after the pop.
When boosting you want to keep the power of the kite for as long as possible, so you edge away from the kite and keep boosting with an angle away from the kite to keep tension. When aiming for slack you edge hard to gain tension and power, but then release into the air toward the kite to create slack. You can see pretty clearly the direction of travel in the Railey to Wrapped video, even the need to walk downwind when practicing on the beach.

kemp90
QLD, 1649 posts
Wednesday , 17 Jul 2019 2:08PM
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Hey mate, not sure if what in writing has already been covered but can't be bothered reading the other comments

. Don't get caught chasing "slack". I spent years chasing the "slack", and honestly I did t even know what I was looking for.

The key to those tricks is timing. pop at the right time, and pulling the bar at the right time.

Pulling on the bar is the most important. For years I was doing it wrong and for that it's wrecked my shoulders.
Make sure your pulling in hard and DOWN to your hip, by pulling down your bar won't be ripped out on of your hand on the landing.

Split the bar with your index finger and middle finger.

good luck.

causehecan
259 posts
Thursday , 18 Jul 2019 6:05PM
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Ive been trying to get use to the finger split but its so damn weird.

Ill work on the down emphasis aswell.

.. With your pulling in timeing and wrecking your shoulders/arms when was least damageing? was it noticeable? Would you describe the least painful pulling of bar into hips as beggining middle or end timing wise?

Bit of a word soup lets try that again.

Was it least damageing to rotor cuff/arms to pull bar into hips too early or too late ?

Chris_M
1766 posts
Today , 22 Jul 2019 8:19AM
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Your wife has the most slack possible...


Like the sleeve of a wizard



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