Catch ya later Seabreeze!!!

You'll be back

Please don't leave

Miss him already.


What does a pie cost in WA, I wonder

Or just come back as another login. That's what the real seabreeze pros do.

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bjw said..
Or just come back as another login. That's what the real seabreeze pros do.

Yeh call yourself Colin

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DJMWA said..
I miss Colin

And his mate

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Gazuki said..
I must have been misunderstood discussing such topics on a watersport forum.

Thanks for owning it. Because yes - a simple misunderstanding ... the policy has been in place for 15+ years. Don't worry - you're not the first to miss reading the posting rules!

Here they are:
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Help/ForumRules.aspx

The intent is about end game. Say you successfully argue that the kite industry is making more money than you are happy with. Then what? From my view, it's simply a dead end street that does damage and nothing good comes from it. Just hatred and conspiracy. Meanwhile good people work hard trying to make ends meet.

The industry is super competitive - there is no room for slack.

Just re-read the forum rules...

www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Help/ForumRules.aspx

In the words of Willy Wonka - "it's all there in black and white!! You lose!"

Well I was amused with the thread. Though I don't want to pay the retail price I'm not surprised by it.

I'm in manufacturing and the reatail price is a compounded amount with multiple middlemen taking a slice.

Let's so a thought experiment.

Chinese kite shop manufactures for $150dds 100% sells $300 kitebrand,

Kite brand adds 100% sells for $600 to country distributor,

distributor adds 100% sells to kite shop at $1200

Kiteshop adds 100% and sells to you for $2400.

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Plummet said..
Well I was amused with the thread. Though I don't want to pay the retail price I'm not surprised by it.

I'm in manufacturing and the reatail price is a compounded amount with multiple middlemen taking a slice.

Let's so a thought experiment.

Chinese kite shop manufactures for $150dds 100% sells $300 kitebrand,

Kite brand adds 100% sells for $600 to country distributor,

distributor adds 100% sells to kite shop at $1200

Kiteshop adds 100% and sells to you for $2400.

!00% of $2400 is a lot more wiggle room than that of the distributor, kite brand and manufacturer. But being the at the end of line leaves them with most risk??

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Happy2kite said..

Plummet said..
Well I was amused with the thread. Though I don't want to pay the retail price I'm not surprised by it.

I'm in manufacturing and the reatail price is a compounded amount with multiple middlemen taking a slice.

Let's so a thought experiment.

Chinese kite shop manufactures for $150dds 100% sells $300 kitebrand,

Kite brand adds 100% sells for $600 to country distributor,

distributor adds 100% sells to kite shop at $1200

Kiteshop adds 100% and sells to you for $2400.

Your spot on but distributor doesn't get 100% close but no.
And closer to $250 per kite only. Only around 150 if run in 10000 units. And no kite brands don't want super seeded stock.
Bars $100-150.
In the future most kites will be indented by the retailer and if he dosen't order enough you miss out. And will have to wait or hopefully find it at another shop for full rrp. Because again he doesn't want to be caught with stock that he can maybe just sell at cost.
What people aren't taking into account is. Sure shops have overheads so at least 4-5 kites a month to cover rent maybe electricity thats it.
But what about personal expenditure by the shop owner mortgage on house maybe. School fees etc we all know how it goes. He or she also wants to live a life go on holidays etc.
If anything Laurie. That post you deleted was giving clarity so kiters don't think that the kite shops are taking advantage and making huge profits. On the contrary I believe that most kiters won't be trying to screw the shop owner for 30-40% off as most now know margins.

So better to buy direct and relieve all that stress on a shop owner and let them get a decent job...?

You 2 nuggets should open a Kite buisness together, you've got it all worked out
Thats why you work for someone else

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cauncy said..
You 2 nuggets should open a Kite buisness together, you've got it all worked out
Thats why you work for someone else

Hell no. Who would want a kite business?

Lets do another thought experiment with some not realistic maths,

Kite shop has to pay building lease, electricity and stuff..... lets assume its a pissy ass shop with low overheads.

$2500/week
$50 000 stock. Borrow money because he didnt have a cent to start the business with.
Interest on stock $80pw
Grom shop work/instructor $1000pw

Owner needs to take at least $1500 so he can live a basic life.

$5k pw needs to be cleared to stay in business,

How many kites per week does it take to clear $5k?
He soon discovers that most shops give discounts to get the deal.
Average sale price is 1800 from his 1200 cost.

He covers costs at 6 kites per week and can start taking a tiny drawings after kite 7 and 8.

Thats a lot of kites per week. Certainly, there are not that many purchased in my town.
To make a living he needs to branch out into supping and surfing and maybe put a cafe in the shop.
He works 7 days a week to scrap a living, After business hours hes doing accounts and paying the grom who gets 4 weeks holiday and 1 week sick pay and is magically sick whenever conditions are prime, he also seems to have a lot of uncles who die and he needs to attend the funeral of. Then when conditions are ideal he has to run kitesurf lessons. He misses out on the kiting more than if he had a day job.

But he's living the dream and gets discounts on kites.

Nah, stuff that,

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Plummet said..

cauncy said..
You 2 nuggets should open a Kite buisness together, you've got it all worked out
Thats why you work for someone else

Hell no. Who would want a kite business?

Lets do another thought experiment with some not realistic maths,

Kite shop has to pay building lease, electricity and stuff..... lets assume its a pissy ass shop with low overheads.

$2500/week
$50 000 stock. Borrow money because he didnt have a cent to start the business with.
Interest on stock $80pw
Grom shop work/instructor $1000pw

Owner needs to take at least $1500 so he can live a basic life.

$5k pw needs to be cleared to stay in business,

How many kites per week does it take to clear $5k?
He soon discovers that most shops give discounts to get the deal.
Average sale price is 1800 from his 1200 cost.

He covers costs at 6 kites per week and can start taking a tiny drawings after kite 7 and 8.

Thats a lot of kites per week. Certainly, there are not that many purchased in my town.
To make a living he needs to branch out into supping and surfing and maybe put a cafe in the shop.
He works 7 days a week to scrap a living, After business hours hes doing accounts and paying the grom who gets 4 weeks holiday and 1 week sick pay and is magically sick whenever conditions are prime, he also seems to have a lot of uncles who die and he needs to attend the funeral of. Then when conditions are ideal he has to run kitesurf lessons. He misses out on the kiting more than if he had a day job.

But he's living the dream and gets discounts on kites.

Nah, stuff that,

Any sort of retail (that isnt a large corporation) would be challenging I would imagine.

However the kite industry seems to be a funny one with multiple players in the supply chain who are all hungry for a slice of the pie.

I think for some brands at least there are limits set on how low a retailer can sell a kite for. This was confirmed last bunch of cabrinhas (superseded models) I bought when during negotiations the dealer told me not to tell anyone how much the deal was worth because he was selling to me beneath the maximum prescribed discount for the national importer/wholesaler and was risking his license to retail that brand.

By doing this it ensures that there is demand for new kites so that companies can roll out new models each year albeit with minor changes to actual design and in most cases I suspect only changes to the colour schemes.