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Flysurfer Peak4

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Created by drsurf > 9 months ago, 18 Apr 2019
drsurf
NSW, 97 posts
17 Feb 2020 1:30AM
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After the fires comes the rain on the south coast, and after about 300mm of rain over many days and no decent wind I was getting tetchy. The forecast yesterday was for a light southerly which is weak on our main kite beach but at least the rain was abating. Perhaps this was time to try another beach in a local estuary where the southerly is usually stronger but has a sketchy launch. Aaron joined me also with a 5m Peak4 and his foil. I figured that the 5m Peak4 would be safe hot launching between trees if I got the location correct. I had to position the kite at the shore while I walked out with the lines, as the wind was onshore. Once I tightened the lines and gave a quick tug the kite came straight up between the trees and with handfuls of seagrass on the lines. Fortunately the seagrass shook off easily and I picked up my board and trudged out to where I hoped I could find enough depth for my foil.

The first 50m the water got gradually deeper and just when I thought I was close to enough depth the water got shallower as I found a seagrass bed. Bugger! I now remember this being present when I last swam at this beach. I tried dragging a bit further out and across the beach hoping the bed wasn't too large. When I felt I had enough depth I tried getting going again and this time tried keeping the board on an angle so I didn't let the foil go too deep and find more weed. The wind varied between 12 knot gusts & 7 knots in the lulls and I found a gust to lift me up and onto the foil and foiled away from the weed bed. The last time I had been on a wind powered craft here was on a sailboard, so depth and weed wasn't so much of an issue. Now I hoped the weed wouldn't be distributed all over the place making foiling as frustrating as the launch.

Meanwhile Aaron figured a better launch could be had 100m along the beach and set up there. Apparently his calculations were slightly out and the kite hit a tree on the way up nearly finishing the session before it had began However a quick shake of the kite and it sorted itself out in the air and he walked and dragged out to where he could launch. It was because of the Peak4 kites we decided we could kite from this location without shore assistance. (The beach was deserted.) It would be harder with any other kite to launch unassisted as there was no sandy beach and trees right to the waters edge in places. A sudden gust could easily put LEI/Twinskin kites into a tree with the onshore wind or have them slide into other obstacles on the beach deposited by a recent storm.

Anyway once out on the water the foiling was better than expected. The rain stayed away and the weed drifting in the water was mainly confined to one end of the beach which we avoided. Due to the shallower water the chop was smaller and better speeds were achieved on our surf foils without too many crashes. A bit of side by side racing also ensued pushing our minimal race skills to their limits. Apparently we covered approx. 32km according to Aaron's GPS watch. Although the wind was gusty it was easy to handle on the 5m Peak4's with even 7 knot lulls not being a problem if we were up and foiling. Apparent wind is a big friend on a Peak4 and my 65kg had no problems. Aaron had nearly 20kg on me and avoided turning or falling in the light bits. However the stronger wind runs were great, both of us being able to point high or bear away with sufficient power.

On my return to the beach I figured if I kept the foil riding high I could get most of the way in to the point where I could jump off and land my kite at the waters edge or against a tree. Even though the wind was gustier closer to shore, I was able to get to where I wanted, jump off and then steered the kite down to place it against a small 300mm eroded bank near the waters edge where it collapsed and held until I could get to it and make it safe. Aaron also successfully made his way in and I landed his kite.

Of course this is an unabashed post which shows the Peak4 being a great kite for situations where you have a challenging launch site, gusty wind and no help. Also if not for hydrofoils we wouldn't have been out on any kite really. But it was fun, we needed a session and a good one was had

ActionSportsWA
WA, 771 posts
11 Mar 2020 9:42PM
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I may well have broken some sort of record today. Managed 31.4 knots on my Duotone Daytona on the 8m Peak 4.
didn't drop a tack or a gybe on the Peak4. Although it looks and flies like a garbage bag, it sure surprised me today. The wind was so gusty, I chose the 8m Peak over my 9m VMG for stability and a giggle. Sure was funny watching the faces of the race crew who didn't recognize me initially, and certainly not the kite. ??
Was on the water between 6:30 and 7pm at Melville Waters WA.

although it can be done, not sure I recommend it in this much wind.
DM






amontesdeoca198
NSW, 23 posts
12 Mar 2020 1:20PM
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Hi guys, I need to add a kite to my quiver for foiling between 15 and 20 knots. Is the Peak4 in 4m/5m the best option? Im 85kg and use a big Low Aspect ratio wing (Cabrinha Hi:Rise Lift)
Thanks in advance for your advises

ActionSportsWA
WA, 771 posts
12 Mar 2020 10:28AM
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You wouldn't need any larger than a 4m for that wind range.
They're grunty little buggers.
DM

drsurf
NSW, 97 posts
13 Mar 2020 1:26AM
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amontesdeoca198 said..
Hi guys, I need to add a kite to my quiver for foiling between 15 and 20 knots. Is the Peak4 in 4m/5m the best option? Im 85kg and use a big Low Aspect ratio wing (Cabrinha Hi:Rise Lift)
Thanks in advance for your advises


Hi amontesdeoca198.
Agree with Darren, 4m would be good in those winds. If you're going under 15 knots then the 5m is the go. Three Peak4 5m out at our beach yesterday in 10 to 12 knots with surf foils. I'll probably be on a 3m Peak4 today Where in NSW are you located?

Take a look at this video which gives some good info on the 4m Peak4 and other Peak4 info

drsurf
NSW, 97 posts
13 Mar 2020 1:30AM
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ActionSportsWA said..
I may well have broken some sort of record today. Managed 31.4 knots on my Duotone Daytona on the 8m Peak 4.
didn't drop a tack or a gybe on the Peak4. Although it looks and flies like a garbage bag, it sure surprised me today. The wind was so gusty, I chose the 8m Peak over my 9m VMG for stability and a giggle. Sure was funny watching the faces of the race crew who didn't recognize me initially, and certainly not the kite. ??
Was on the water between 6:30 and 7pm at Melville Waters WA.

although it can be done, not sure I recommend it in this much wind.
DM







Man that is some speed on a Peak4, especially in those winds.

If there is a Peak4 speed list I think you're on top... by a large margin

airsail
QLD, 448 posts
13 Mar 2020 4:57AM
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Tried the 3 mtr Peak 4 today, I'm experienced with the 4 mtr so was keen to try the 3 mtr. Wind was 23-28 knots cross onshore on Moreton Bay, Brisbane. 17 mtr lines on a 45cm bar, I'm 80 kgs on a 1100 surf wing.
Very similar to the 4 mtr, bit faster and a lot of fun to fly. It is easy to oversheet so I resorted pulling in about 5 cm of depower. This made it easier to get going as the slightest amount of too much bar pressure and the kite will stop moving, no momentum at all. No flapping at all in these winds, something that Peaks do when overpowered. It turns very fast, starting with a standard radius turn but a bit more input and it will spin.
No problems at all upwind, as good or better than the 4 mtr. Swell riding is brilliant, no pull from the kite at all. Picked up a few swells straight downwind and was able to take my hands off the bar for short periods with the kite drifting above me. It doesn't auto zenith but drifts gradually down, more like a flutter down than a dive like a LEI. A great kite for swell riding in stronger wind, 18-19 knots is probably its low end, no idea yet of its upper end. I guess the only drawback is relaunch, I know the 4 mtr can be iffy if you loose back line tension in a crash and I have had a few swim ins. You won't crash it much, it likes to stay in the air, mine usually result from a crash on the foil and loosing awareness of the kite as there is almost no feedback when underwater. Resetting on the water is not an option for these smaller Peaks as the water condition would swamp the kite before you had the lines unrolled.
But if you have a location where swim ins aren't a problem, eg beach rather than rocks downwind the Peaks are great for foiling swell and probably the best kite for this readily available kite in Oz.

SimonTheSailor
10 posts
13 Mar 2020 9:01AM
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airsail said..
Tried the 3 mtr Peak 4 today, I'm experienced with the 4 mtr so was keen to try the 3 mtr. Wind was 23-28 knots cross onshore on Moreton Bay, Brisbane. 17 mtr lines on a 45cm bar, I'm 80 kgs on a 1100 surf wing.
Very similar to the 4 mtr, bit faster and a lot of fun to fly. It is easy to oversheet so I resorted pulling in about 5 cm of depower. This made it easier to get going as the slightest amount of too much bar pressure and the kite will stop moving, no momentum at all. No flapping at all in these winds, something that Peaks do when overpowered. It turns very fast, starting with a standard radius turn but a bit more input and it will spin.
No problems at all upwind, as good or better than the 4 mtr. Swell riding is brilliant, no pull from the kite at all. Picked up a few swells straight downwind and was able to take my hands off the bar for short periods with the kite drifting above me. It doesn't auto zenith but drifts gradually down, more like a flutter down than a dive like a LEI. A great kite for swell riding in stronger wind, 18-19 knots is probably its low end, no idea yet of its upper end. I guess the only drawback is relaunch, I know the 4 mtr can be iffy if you loose back line tension in a crash and I have had a few swim ins. You won't crash it much, it likes to stay in the air, mine usually result from a crash on the foil and loosing awareness of the kite as there is almost no feedback when underwater. Resetting on the water is not an option for these smaller Peaks as the water condition would swamp the kite before you had the lines unrolled.
But if you have a location where swim ins aren't a problem, eg beach rather than rocks downwind the Peaks are great for foiling swell and probably the best kite for this readily available kite in Oz.


I wonder how a 3m peak compare against say 4.5m ConceptAir Wave for high winds...couple of advantages with the wave - higher wind range and relaunch but I guess cost would be $500 higher as well. Basically looking for 20-40kts option with sweet spot of say 25-35knts..I know this a massive wind range and that's how it is when storms hit

airsail
QLD, 448 posts
13 Mar 2020 7:03PM
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SimonTheSailor said..

airsail said..
Tried the 3 mtr Peak 4 today, I'm experienced with the 4 mtr so was keen to try the 3 mtr. Wind was 23-28 knots cross onshore on Moreton Bay, Brisbane. 17 mtr lines on a 45cm bar, I'm 80 kgs on a 1100 surf wing.
Very similar to the 4 mtr, bit faster and a lot of fun to fly. It is easy to oversheet so I resorted pulling in about 5 cm of depower. This made it easier to get going as the slightest amount of too much bar pressure and the kite will stop moving, no momentum at all. No flapping at all in these winds, something that Peaks do when overpowered. It turns very fast, starting with a standard radius turn but a bit more input and it will spin.
No problems at all upwind, as good or better than the 4 mtr. Swell riding is brilliant, no pull from the kite at all. Picked up a few swells straight downwind and was able to take my hands off the bar for short periods with the kite drifting above me. It doesn't auto zenith but drifts gradually down, more like a flutter down than a dive like a LEI. A great kite for swell riding in stronger wind, 18-19 knots is probably its low end, no idea yet of its upper end. I guess the only drawback is relaunch, I know the 4 mtr can be iffy if you loose back line tension in a crash and I have had a few swim ins. You won't crash it much, it likes to stay in the air, mine usually result from a crash on the foil and loosing awareness of the kite as there is almost no feedback when underwater. Resetting on the water is not an option for these smaller Peaks as the water condition would swamp the kite before you had the lines unrolled.
But if you have a location where swim ins aren't a problem, eg beach rather than rocks downwind the Peaks are great for foiling swell and probably the best kite for this readily available kite in Oz.



I wonder how a 3m peak compare against say 4.5m ConceptAir Wave for high winds...couple of advantages with the wave - higher wind range and relaunch but I guess cost would be $500 higher as well. Basically looking for 20-40kts option with sweet spot of say 25-35knts..I know this a massive wind range and that's how it is when storms hit


I don't know how good a small Peak will be for that broad wind range. They are good in their range, the 4 mtr is nice up to about 22 knots, after that it is uncomfortable to use, tends to flap a lot, doesn't depower well. I change to a 4 mtr LEI single strut in winds 22-28 knots, just nicer to use, better depower. The 3 mtr Peak might get you a few knots higher but will then get uncomfortable too I guess.

drsurf
NSW, 97 posts
14 Mar 2020 2:43AM
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SimonTheSailor said..
I wonder how a 3m peak compare against say 4.5m ConceptAir Wave for high winds...couple of advantages with the wave - higher wind range and relaunch but I guess cost would be $500 higher as well. Basically looking for 20-40kts option with sweet spot of say 25-35knts..I know this a massive wind range and that's how it is when storms hit


Hi Simon.
Haven't tried the ConceptAir Wave but I do use the 3m Peak4 a lot.
With regard to the 3m Peak4, first it depends on your weight. I'm 65kg and when the wind is over 25knots I find the kite starts to become overpowered for wave riding as I tend to outrun the wave but can handle more wind if I'm just freeriding and not bothering with waves.

However if you're heavier than that, your windrange will increase in approximate proportion to your weight. You'll lose a bit off the bottom end but over 15knots, if you're around 75kg, you'll be up and foiling. If you're just freeride foiling then you should be able to handle up to 35 knots once again depending on your weight. Bear in mind in winds over 30 knots the limiting factor maybe your control over the foil in big chop at speed.

The Peak4's are good in gusty conditions and the 3m Peak4 is not expensive. You'll use the kite any way so try one or buy one. If you're in Sydney or south I have one you can demo.

KBGhost
QLD, 98 posts
17 Mar 2020 8:27PM
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Could anyone tell me if the peak 4 would be happy on a high V (ie North) bar?

dafish
NSW, 1472 posts
17 Mar 2020 10:26PM
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I believe the bar for the Peak4 was a high Y. I originally tried Dr. Surfs Peak4 with his bar which was a Flysurfer Bar with high Y. I would have only considered this kite if it behaved well with a low v bar, my Ozone gear bars. I found my Ozone bars worked just fine and did not affect the Peak4 5 meter that I ended up purchasing. However, on the smaller 3 it might make more of a difference on loading of the bridle.

drsurf
NSW, 97 posts
18 Mar 2020 11:33PM
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KBGhost said..
Could anyone tell me if the peak 4 would be happy on a high V (ie North) bar?



Hi KBGhost.
As dafish has mentioned the Flysurfer bar recommended for the Peak4 has a high Y or V depending on your terminology.
Also as dafish has mentioned, he and others have used a variety of bars, both high Y and low V, and found they all work well with the Peak4.

Most of the Peak4 kites I have sold have been used with a variety of bars from non Flysurfer brands both high and low Y/V and no-one has had a problem with the performance of any of the bars. About the only variation which can cause a change in performance characteristics is the length of the lines.

However if you're looking for the best bar for the Peak4, the Flysurfer Connect Bar System is probably the best. Although this bar has the B-Safe system, it's not necessary to have this feature for water use where the kite can be simply crashed in an emergency to stop it dead. The main advantage of the Connect bar is its lightness, simplicity and lower cost compared to other bars.

jamesperth
WA, 578 posts
20 Mar 2020 10:01AM
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the Flysurfer Connect Bar System is probably the best.



Is this different to the Force Control Bar ? flysurfer.com/project/force-control-bar/

KBGhost
QLD, 98 posts
20 Mar 2020 6:06PM
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Thanks for this info guys Mr AquaPlow has offered to bring his 4m & 8m for a test in a couple of weeks when us old buggers are healed up.

Based on your info I would probably buy a dedicated 2nd hand bar (that I could leave connected) and convert it to say 15m lines for the peak, I've read on kf that they go well on short lines.. any thoughts on that?

airsail
QLD, 448 posts
20 Mar 2020 7:30PM
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I use a 45 cm bar with 17 mtr lines on my 4 mtr Peak 4. It's an old Best bar, the early full carbon type.

drsurf
NSW, 97 posts
20 Mar 2020 11:32PM
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jamesperth said..

the Flysurfer Connect Bar System is probably the best.




Is this different to the Force Control Bar ? flysurfer.com/project/force-control-bar/


Yes, it's much lighter and simpler. See flysurfer.com/project/connect-bar-system/

drsurf
NSW, 97 posts
21 Mar 2020 12:26AM
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KBGhost said..
Thanks for this info guys Mr AquaPlow has offered to bring his 4m & 8m for a test in a couple of weeks when us old buggers are healed up.

Based on your info I would probably buy a dedicated 2nd hand bar (that I could leave connected) and convert it to say 15m lines for the peak, I've read on kf that they go well on short lines.. any thoughts on that?



Flysurfer recommends 20 - 21m lines for best range of performance and I would tend to agree with that. Flysurfer recommends shorter 14 - 17m lines for school and training use as it reduces the length of the power stroke through the wind window making it safer for inexperienced kiters.

Whilst I haven't used shorter lines, I have used 24m lines and they did feel too long. It depends on the size Peak4 you are using and on an 11m or 13m Peak4 short lines may make a large slower kite more lively. Likewise you may find longer lines better on the smaller Peak4's if they feel too fast or you feel the power stroke is too short. The Peak4's are quite a gentle kite for old buggers with plenty of instant depower.

Aquaplow is a very good dude who also loaned me his 8m to demo while I was waiting for stock. As he has two kites which are quite far apart in size I would try any bar line setup you have starting with something around 21m . Then try shorter and longer lines on the two kites and see what you think. There are so many variables with regard to riders weight & skill, wind strength, foil size etc that trying a few different line lengths is worth doing. One proviso ... you must report back to the forum and tell us your experiences

dafish
NSW, 1472 posts
21 Mar 2020 8:36AM
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For me I have set my 55 cm Ozone bar with 21 meter lines on my Peak4 5 mt. If you add the long length of the bridle lines it works out at around 24 meters in total to the kite. Using a longer bar makes the turning more lively and loops quicker. I tried shorter bar lengths and found that when I was doing ducktack 360's in lighter wind (which I primarily us it for) I could not get sufficient pull to loop the kite as I came around. With a bigger bar it's not so much an issue.

AquaPlow
QLD, 911 posts
21 Mar 2020 12:52PM
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Finally 11+weeks.. after busting collar bone..the tendons and muscles repaired up enough to be stable... I can feel an 8m session coming on...
it be lite but I be itching to bust out
cheers
AP




AquaPlow
QLD, 911 posts
17 Apr 2020 2:33PM
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New bit of kit required
Been abit hectic..
But yesterday later than I like.. Arvo. Really light.open beach. Peak4 8m huge board.. plan to try Sam Lights smooth foot work tips... V.easy up and foiling. Not enough power to jump shark nets.. Looking a bit murky.. Just short of dusk... In packed .. Bit of a hacked landing so untangled bridles..shower still warm.from sun.. Then bugger too dark to read key safe for carkeys.. No moon Lucky by time 7th car had driven past nailed it.. Taking LED in kit....
Pre-foiling normal 4me on SB downwinder take rutsack with phone and change of kit... for bus run back... Been trying to make foiling as simple as possible so no extras..
This year I do believe, with this setup, I have winter light winds covered ... actually looking fwd to them
Cheers
AP

Jonesey32
QLD, 44 posts
20 Apr 2020 11:37PM
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AquaPlow said..
New bit of kit required
Been abit hectic..
But yesterday later than I like.. Arvo. Really light.open beach. Peak4 8m huge board.. plan to try Sam Lights smooth foot work tips... V.easy up and foiling. Not enough power to jump shark nets.. Looking a bit murky.. Just short of dusk... In packed .. Bit of a hacked landing so untangled bridles..shower still warm.from sun.. Then bugger too dark to read key safe for carkeys.. No moon Lucky by time 7th car had driven past nailed it.. Taking LED in kit....
Pre-foiling normal 4me on SB downwinder take rutsack with phone and change of kit... for bus run back... Been trying to make foiling as simple as possible so no extras..
This year I do believe, with this setup, I have winter light winds covered ... actually looking fwd to them
Cheers
AP


Something I worked out after screwing around trying to unlock a Key Safe in the dark a few times: most of them will rotate freely clockwise, but lock at 0 when going counter-clockwise. That lets you reset the code to 0000 counter-clockwise, and then count the combo forward clockwise.

Still a PITA, but not as bad as waiting for someone to drive past to light the code up.

AquaPlow
QLD, 911 posts
21 Apr 2020 2:05PM
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Thanks Jonesey.. G8 tip.. Will check .. Clean up by rapid change to daylight.. The lights just went out...
Cheers
AP

drsurf
NSW, 97 posts
20 May 2020 2:34AM
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Took a 4m Peak4 from stock yesterday and went out foiling with it in an unseasonal May nor-easter. Spun the bar at one stage, grabbed the wrong side and put the kite straight down in the water with slack lines
However I was able to tug the back lines a bit and expose a little kite to the wind and gradually peeled it up from the water until it was sitting nose down. Tugging the back lines some more, emptied the leading edge and it rose from the water where I could flip the kite in the air so it was leading edge up and flying and then I could drag to the board and get foiling again

A bit of practice and the Peak4 is not too hard to relaunch from a crash. It's a good idea to practice your Peak4 relaunches in shallow water so it's easier when you're 300m from shore wondering if you're in for a swim...

BTW this was my first time on a 4m Peak4, I have the 3m, 5m and 8m Peak4's. It's certainly a good fit between the 3m and 5m kites. The wind was good for a 5m Peak4 when I started and picked up a few knots over the next half hour. Normally I would have started on the 5m and had to change to the 3m to keep it fun. The 4m was fine for the entire session and definitely one for my quiver.

jamesperth
WA, 578 posts
21 May 2020 8:41AM
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Finally got a sesh on the 8m peak yesterday in around 10-12 knots gusting 14-16. At 95 kgs had no issues water starting with a loop and could easily ride upwind on an Axis 680 surf wing. As you'd expect it felt exactly like a bigger 5m - same light bar pressure, more power and noticeably slower turning.
I really liked it - especially how stable the canopy was in the patchy wind.

alverstone
WA, 511 posts
7 Jun 2020 10:25PM
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Warning: heresy ahead. I may have found a fault with Peak4s. But as a result they are better! I was concerned with the cheap Flysurfer pulleys not rolling , so I replaced them on my 5m with Ronstans. What a difference! Kite feels even lighter on the bar and flys smoother. I feel like I'm giving less input, and are more relaxed thinking I'm not wearing out the lines while I'm on the water. Try it.

max_ob
QLD, 174 posts
8 Jun 2020 6:21AM
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alverstone said..
Warning: heresy ahead. I may have found a fault with Peak4s. But as a result they are better! I was concerned with the cheap Flysurfer pulleys not rolling , so I replaced them on my 5m with Ronstans. What a difference! Kite feels even lighter on the bar and flys smoother. I feel like I'm giving less input, and are more relaxed thinking I'm not wearing out the lines while I'm on the water. Try it.



can you take a pic for tell and . . . show?

LeighMajor
NSW, 403 posts
9 Jun 2020 8:49AM
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Thanks for the heads up Alverstone.
Can frustrating trying to isolate a faulty pulley issue.
Drsurf may be able to give us Peak 4 owners an update on the faulty pulleys?
He could suggest to Flysurfer the issue.
Hopefully it's an isolated issue.
Will definitely have a close look and clean mine.
Maybe that there is less maintenance due to rolling the Peak 4 & bar up before cleaning parts in fresh water.I often unroll and Wash and dry bar ,lines but not pulleys.

ActionSportsWA
WA, 771 posts
9 Jun 2020 11:12AM
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Hi Alverstone,

There is no "fault" with the Sprenger kite block pulleys. They are the same as the Ronstan 13101-2 pulleys. You need to do maintenance on pulleys, ie, wash them in fresh water or, at a minimum, free them up when they jam with crystalized salt.

You can of course put bearinged pulleys on the Peaks or any other kite for that matter, and they will feel better with larger diameter wheel and rollers, but the cost is up there and not really necessary if you just look after your gear.

Freeing up salt crusted pulleys should be part of your preflight check when you are rigging any kite with pulleys.

Ronstan do Orbit block pulleys which are the next level up but at $30 per pulley, its going to add 10% to the cost of your kite.

Just as an add, Flysurfer use the same Sprenger/Ronstan pulleys on their high end VMG race kites, so quality isn't the issue, strrength and weight is.

DM

Gorgo
VIC, 4418 posts
9 Jun 2020 1:33PM
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When you check for pulleys rolling you need to simulate real world operating conditions.

Kite blocks will only turn if the line passes around the pulley on a fairly tight angle, and there is a fairly substantial load on the line. The line has to have enough texture to grip the roller to make it turn.

I have Ronstan and Sprenger kite blocks on various kites and in my spare parts box. One of the Ronstan blocks will turn freely by simply turning it. The others don't turn freely, but if I simulate operating loads they work fine.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to lubricate a kite block. There's not a lot of space to get lubricant inside the pulley, and getting lube on the outside of the roller would reduce the grip of the line preventing the roller from turning.

The Orbit blocks turn beautifully, but they're big and a bit heavy to use in some kiting applications.

Sheaveless blocks are quite nice but they don't like tight angles and dirt in the line creates wear that leads to breakage without warning.

bootsport.sprenger.de/shop/bootsport_en/35420016a0.html
www.ronstan.com/marine/product.asp?ProdNo=RF13101-2
www.ronstan.com/marine/product.asp?ProdNo=RF25109
www.ronstan.com.au/marine5/range.asp?RnID=423



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