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Created by theDoctor 2 months ago, 24 Nov 2022
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theDoctor
NSW, 5715 posts
24 Nov 2022 1:50PM
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Is it sad that those head in the sand-ers accept without question that SADS is now a thing, or do they know somethings been not quite right with themselves ever since they got it...
common theme amongst the SADS being their last contacted reported that they felt not quite right and a bit anxious....

will this thread have also died suddenly....
strange things afoot this coming summer indeed....

rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html

Pcdefender
WA, 424 posts
24 Nov 2022 1:05PM
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The censorship of so many in the medical field that are exposing the truth should have alarm bells going off for everyone to what sort of country we are now living in.

Private companies are now being pushed or coerced into coming on board with the censorship also.

Concerning times indeed.

UncleBob
NSW, 1094 posts
24 Nov 2022 4:18PM
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Pcdefender said..
The censorship of so many in the medical field that are exposing the truth should have alarm bells going off for everyone to what sort of country we are now living in.

Private companies are now being pushed or coerced into coming on board with the censorship also.

Concerning times indeed.


Does this mean that it's time for another unfounded and irresponsible conspiracy theory?

Flying Dutchman
WA, 1011 posts
24 Nov 2022 2:18PM
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18:10 on... food for thought.

kk
WA, 916 posts
24 Nov 2022 7:30PM
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OMG everyone has a link!!

D3
WA, 169 posts
24 Nov 2022 7:56PM
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theDoctor said..
Is it sad that those head in the sand-ers accept without question that SADS is now a thing, or do they know somethings been not quite right with themselves ever since they got it...
common theme amongst the SADS being their last contacted reported that they felt not quite right and a bit anxious....

will this thread have also died suddenly....
strange things afoot this coming summer indeed....

rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html


Why? Has there been a sudden increase? Or have we got better at identifying it over the past 20 years?

hilly
WA, 6896 posts
24 Nov 2022 8:52PM
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You guys are funny. Why let facts get in the way of a good CF



Flying Dutchman
WA, 1011 posts
24 Nov 2022 9:33PM
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hilly said..
You guys are funny. Why let facts get in the way of a good CF

Not sure what a CF is but maybe it's conspiracy fact?

Your chart is showing up to 30th June 2021. Australians started getting vaxxed in the 2nd half of 2021 with 'full vaccination' achieved in 2022.

Check 2022 ABS facts - www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

As Dr Campbell said in the video above, it is interesting the Australian media don't seem interested in this story, it is statistically significant.

hilly
WA, 6896 posts
25 Nov 2022 3:37AM
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hilly said..
You guys are funny. Why let facts get in the way of a good CF


Not sure what a CF is but maybe it's conspiracy fact?

Your chart is showing up to 30th June 2021. Australians started getting vaxxed in the 2nd half of 2021 with 'full vaccination' achieved in 2022.

Check 2022 ABS facts - www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

As Dr Campbell said in the video above, it is interesting the Australian media don't seem interested in this story, it is statistically significant.


Yep my bad should be CT.
My point was we should look at long term trends not just from year to year.

ok
NSW, 1006 posts
25 Nov 2022 9:16AM
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If they are killing us off or trying to what are you going to do to combat it ? Unfortunately they're too many people that are controlled by the media / television set and will only believe what comes out of it. Unless you're a billionaire there's no real point worrying about it or wasting your time delving deep into cyberspace to find out more information.

hilly
WA, 6896 posts
25 Nov 2022 10:00AM
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If they are killing us off or trying to what are you going to do to combat it ? Unfortunately they're too many people that are controlled by the media / television set and will only believe what comes out of it. Unless you're a billionaire there's no real point worrying about it or wasting your time delving deep into cyberspace to find out more information.



Agree. With millions of people vaccinated in Australia it is not a remarkably effective way to wipe out the population.




remery
WA, 937 posts
25 Nov 2022 10:13AM
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Food for thought.

Flying Dutchman
WA, 1011 posts
25 Nov 2022 10:49AM
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remery said..
Food for thought.


2:30 - "This is causing more and more harm as Covid continues to spread among the unvaccinated."

How to lose credibility in a sentence.


hilly
WA, 6896 posts
25 Nov 2022 11:11AM
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Not vaccinated? These are your odds of needing intensive care - Curious (science.org.au)

www.science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/not-vaccinated-these-are-your-odds-needing-intensive-care

Flying Dutchman
WA, 1011 posts
25 Nov 2022 11:19AM
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Not vaccinated? These are your odds of needing intensive care - Curious (science.org.au)

www.science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/not-vaccinated-these-are-your-odds-needing-intensive-care

Latest NSW report should provide some comfort for the unvaxxed.

Admitted to Hospital
1 or more vax = 391
Unvaxxed = 0

Admited to ICU
1 or more vax = 45
Unvaxxed = 0

Deaths
1 or more vax = 32
Unvaxxed = 2

www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221119.pdf

hilly
WA, 6896 posts
25 Nov 2022 11:54AM
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hilly said..
Not vaccinated? These are your odds of needing intensive care - Curious (science.org.au)

www.science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/not-vaccinated-these-are-your-odds-needing-intensive-care



Latest NSW report should provide some comfort for the unvaxxed.

Admitted to Hospital
1 or more vax = 391
Unvaxxed = 0

Admited to ICU
1 or more vax = 45
Unvaxxed = 0

Deaths
1 or more vax = 32
Unvaxxed = 2

www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221119.pdf




Again, super narrow focus with one week. Look at longer data statistics.
Something to consider:
If unknown are unvaxxed that is 5 deaths out of 37 = 13.5% means you are almost 3 times as likely to die as a vaxxed person. 95% of population is vaxxed only 5% unvaxxed.


Edit ^Vaccination status is determined by matching to Australian Immunisation Register (AIR) data. Name and date of birth need to be an exact match to that recorded in AIR. People with unknown vaccination status were unable to be found in AIR, though may have vaccination details recorded in AIR under a shortened name or different spelling.

hilly
WA, 6896 posts
25 Nov 2022 12:04PM
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This is clearer:




hilly
WA, 6896 posts
25 Nov 2022 12:06PM
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How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not? - Our World in Data

ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

Flying Dutchman
WA, 1011 posts
25 Nov 2022 12:12PM
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hilly said..
Again, super narrow focus with one week. Look at longer data statistics.
Something to consider:
If unknown are unvaxxed that is 5 deaths out of 37 = 13.5% means you are almost 3 times as likely to die as a vaxxed person. 95% of population is vaxxed only 5% unvaxxed.


That's the last 14 days of admissions.

You can't assume that the 'unknown' category are unvaxxed. Where's the science in that.

If you want longer data, check the previous 'Table 1s' to see how many unvaxxed are in ICU.

Issued 10 November 2022
www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221105.pdf

Issued 3 November 2022
www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221029.pdf

Issued 27 October 2022

www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221022.pdf

Issued 20 October 2022

www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221015.pdf

Issued 13 October 2022

www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overview-20221008.pdf


Flying Dutchman
WA, 1011 posts
25 Nov 2022 12:32PM
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How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not? - Our World in Data

ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

Who here is lining up for more Covid vaccinations? The sense I've got is that the public is over it. Hardly anyone wants more boosters even though Fauci in his retirement speech yesterday recommended we all continue to get them.

I admit the hospital numbers I've posted are pointless without adding in the vax injured into the equation which are very likely to be underreported. If we add in the number of people that had to go to hospital or died due to the Covid vax you'd get a better picture on the risk/reward of this health campaign.

Anyone on this forum who says they haven't heard of anyone who was Covid vax injured well there's been quite a number of people in the Seabreeze community that have come forward and admitted they got injured so you do know someone now.

This will be my last post on this thread, I have done this topic to death & already annoyed enough people by now.


I'll leave you with the latest conspiracy theory that may not end up as one from Nurse Campbell...

ok
NSW, 1006 posts
26 Nov 2022 11:04AM
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At what point are those pro vaxxers going to start promoting healthy eating and exercise habits ?

Regurgitating articles that are out of date and full of lies is not good health advice. The sentence below we now know isn't true as being vaccinated does not help against transmission. "Being up-to-date with vaccinations, including booster doses, not only helps protect us but also helps protect others around us from the worst effects of COVID-19."

If they got the above wrong how are we to trust them to get other factors right ?

Harrow
NSW, 4321 posts
26 Nov 2022 12:42PM
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If they got the above wrong how are we to trust them to get other factors right ?

They didn't get wrong, it was an outright lie since they've been saying it right from the beginning even though the Pfizer vaccine hadn't even been tested for it's ability to prevent transmission. I'm guessing a lot of the time it was said with good intentions, but they shouldn't just be making stuff like that up. It makes you wonder what else is made up.

Something else I wonder.... just how many people does anyone know that have had a serious health impact from a conventional vaccine such as the measles or polio vaccines. etc? I don't know a single person, yet I know of plenty with the COVID vaccine. It simply cannot be said that it is 'SAFE' in the same way that you can make that statement with regular vaccines. Combine that with the fact that the COVID vaccine wasn't tested for its ability to stop transmission means that there was no basis for forcing people to take the COVID shots. It should have been left as a personal decision and people should have been given the true facts to make that decision for themselves.

Carantoc
WA, 5974 posts
26 Nov 2022 10:13AM
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...and people should have been given the true facts to make that decision for themselves.


Are true facts like empirical facts ? or are they different fact classifications ?

Either way that assumes people can and will make a rational decision.

'People' have the facts about alcohol, tobacco, sedentary lifestyles, sugar, bitcoin, war, the flatness of the earth, Seabreeze.com.au forum rules on threads about this topic and a limitless range of other things.

Doesn't mean they make sensible decisions about any of them.

Carantoc
WA, 5974 posts
26 Nov 2022 10:17AM
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Flying Dutchman said..
Who here is lining up for more Covid vaccinations?


You don't have to line up anymore. No queues.

More cases, more spread, more in hospital, more deaths.

More everything than that at the height of the lockdowns, ....... except for queues and daily media reporting. Go figure.

Bit like Mitre10, these days you just get in, get you want, get out and go. It's that easy.

hilly
WA, 6896 posts
26 Nov 2022 11:19AM
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ok said..
If they got the above wrong how are we to trust them to get other factors right ?


They didn't get wrong, it was an outright lie since they've been saying it right from the beginning even though the Pfizer vaccine hadn't even been tested for it's ability to prevent transmission. I'm guessing a lot of the time it was said with good intentions, but they shouldn't just be making stuff like that up. It makes you wonder what else is made up.

Something else I wonder.... just how many people does anyone know that have had a serious health impact from a conventional vaccine such as the measles or polio vaccines. etc? I don't know a single person, yet I know of plenty with the COVID vaccine. It simply cannot be said that it is 'SAFE' in the same way that you can make that statement with regular vaccines. Combine that with the fact that the COVID vaccine wasn't tested for its ability to stop transmission means that there was no basis for forcing people to take the COVID shots. It should have been left as a personal decision and people should have been given the true facts to make that decision for themselves.


I do not know anyone who has had issues with the vaccine. Must be lucky. Everyone I know is vaccinated, must be in my line of work. More issues with long Covid.

What is the CT here? Who is getting something out of it? 95% vaccinated and Covid is under control. Be happy.

Everything is so PC now if there was an issue with the vaccine the WOKE people would be right on to it like tobacco, meth, alcohol and enjoying yourself.

hilly
WA, 6896 posts
26 Nov 2022 11:21AM
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ok said..
At what point are those pro vaxxers going to start promoting healthy eating and exercise habits ?

Regurgitating articles that are out of date and full of lies is not good health advice. The sentence below we now know isn't true as being vaccinated does not help against transmission. "Being up-to-date with vaccinations, including booster doses, not only helps protect us but also helps protect others around us from the worst effects of COVID-19."

If they got the above wrong how are we to trust them to get other factors right ?


It is not wrong.

hilly
WA, 6896 posts
26 Nov 2022 11:41AM
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Anti vaxers sinking to new lows

apple.news/AasbzFHoOT1G4Mepkpm3Hzg

FormulaNova
WA, 13434 posts
26 Nov 2022 12:55PM
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..... It should have been left as a personal decision and people should have been given the true facts to make that decision for themselves.


It's easy to forget that Omicron and on have been relatively benign viruses. From that perspective its easier to say that additional protection from a vaccine may or may not be worth it, but by then we had the luxury of a virus that was easier on the unvaccinated than the earlier strains.

FormulaNova
WA, 13434 posts
26 Nov 2022 12:57PM
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ok said..
The sentence below we now know isn't true as being vaccinated does not help against transmission. "Being up-to-date with vaccinations, including booster doses, not only helps protect us but also helps protect others around us from the worst effects of COVID-19."

If they got the above wrong how are we to trust them to get other factors right ?


As far as I know the vaccine(s) have prevented me catching Covid and passing it on. I haven't caught it yet as far as I know, so does that prove anything or just that I have been lucky despite people around me catching it?

Harrow
NSW, 4321 posts
26 Nov 2022 4:43PM
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Carantoc said..
Are true facts like empirical facts ? or are they different fact classifications ?

Either way that assumes people can and will make a rational decision.

'People' have the facts about alcohol, tobacco, sedentary lifestyles, sugar, bitcoin, war, the flatness of the earth, Seabreeze.com.au forum rules on threads about this topic and a limitless range of other things.

Doesn't mean they make sensible decisions about any of them.

'True facts' being different to the 'made-up facts' of the vaccine preventing transmission. Call them empirical, whatever, it doesn't really matter. The point is that it was an unsubstantiated claim, regardless of what semantic argument you want to have.

Harrow
NSW, 4321 posts
26 Nov 2022 4:50PM
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It's easy to forget that Omicron and on have been relatively benign viruses. From that perspective its easier to say that additional protection from a vaccine may or may not be worth it, but by then we had the luxury of a virus that was easier on the unvaccinated than the earlier strains.

You are ignoring my main point of the population being coerced into getting vaccinated on the premise that it would slow transmission when there hadn't even been any tests of the effectiveness of the vaccine to do that.



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